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She Get It From Her....Papa? 1:51:11

23h ago1:51:11

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Share an episode with a friend! Go follow us on socials (all tags at the bottom of the show notes). Like, comment and share. Join the conversation this week using #OnMyPapa. Ever heard of Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)? Well, neither have we! Jacoby and Christine discussed PCOS and how that affects not only women, but men too! You heard that righ…

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#187 Oystein Kalleklev - Avance Gas, Flex LNG, Shipping Investing 2025, Dark Fleet, Energy Markets, Books 56:09

5d ago56:09

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Oystein Kalleklev is the CEO of Flex LNG and Avance Gas, and comes back for a Christmas Special to cover shipping, investing and other interesting stories. Let us know what you think of the episode and share it with friends and network! 00:00 - Avance Gas 12:10 - Flex LNG And LNG Markets Ahead 24:10 - How To Finance Shipping, and Debt Structures 32…

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3 Inches for $100,000 1:32:39

7d ago1:32:39

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From Nicki Minaj to Kim Kardashian, society seems to hold a particular regard and acceptance of plastic surgery. So much so, that it seems the possibilities are unlimited. If you think we are exaggerating, take a listen to this week's episode where we talk about Plastic Surgery and some of the strangest forms of it. In the Two in the Think segment …

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60,000 in One Weekend?! 1:30:39

14d ago1:30:39

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With Black Friday WEEK upon us, we decided to talk about saving in the form of….coupons! The conversation got wild!! Come for the ride, leave with some newfound couponing hacks. In the “What's Facts Got to Do With It? Segment” we explore the history of Coupons and its origins in our society. See the resources from the conversation below. Tap into t…

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Mary Had a Little Lamb 1:20:24

21d ago1:20:24

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Gobble, gobble! We talk about the history of Thanksgiving today. Join us as we chat about the things we enjoy, dislike and don't understand about the tradition of Thanksgiving (& a bit of Black Friday). We dive into the history of Thanksgiving, and y’all, it's somehow even more than just Pilgrims and Native Americans/Indigenous people. In the “What…

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Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That 46:22

28d ago46:22

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Twice a year our circadian rhythm is disturbed and Christine wanted to know WHY! Daylight Saving Time has been a part of our lives for as long as we’ve been alive and it never occurred to us to ask anyone why we have to do this. Who said this was ok? And why is it that not all areas follow the time change? We dig into the background of Daylight Sav…

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#186 Lars Christian Skarsgård - Belships, Shipping, Dry Bulk, Ship Buying, Japan, Strategy, Career Advice 56:15

1M ago56:15

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Lars Christian Skarsgård is the CEO of the shipping company Belships, listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange. Lars Christian is one of the most respected profiles within the shipping industry and it was great fun to have in back for part 2 in the Vonheim podcast. Let us know what you think of the episode! 00:00 - Introduction and US Predictions 02:36 - …

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The 6-Year Pilot 1:21:36

1M ago1:21:36

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We recorded this Pilot episode 6 years ago!! And we liked it so much we kept it! We open our podcast by talking about…..Open Conversations. Some questions we explored in this episode’s “Two in The Think” Segment were: What does an open conversation look like for you? How do you feel about initiating a difficult conversation? Do you consider yoursel…

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The Opening Act 1:46

2M ago1:46

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The Venn Dialogues is finally here! Listen to our trailer to prepare yourself for our weekly podcast. Music Thanks To: Royalty Free Music from Tunetank.com Track: Old Streets by Crystal Squad https://tunetank.com/track/3487-old-streets/ Join Christine & Jacoby, weekly, as they discuss a wide-range of topics they find interesting. The pair will give…

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#185 Steen Jakobsen - US Election, Investing 2025, Energy, Shipping, Saxo Bank, Mentoring 45:59

2M ago45:59

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Steen Jakobsen’s career includes pivotal roles at institutions such as Chase Manhattan, UBS, Christiania Bank, and Saxo Bank where he is recognised for his expertise in markets and trading. Steen is renowned for his annual "Outrageous Predictions" report, which challenges conventional market wisdom and stimulates critical thinking about potential e…

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#184 Nicolai Heidenreich (Highlight) - How To Build A Shipping Fund 18:46

2M ago18:46

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Nicolai Heidenreich is the managing partner of NRP Maritime Asset Management and has over 25 years of experience within the maritime and shipping sector. Since 2012 he has managed several portfolios of shipping and offshore investments worth in excess USD 150 million. Prior to NRP, Heidenreich was a partner at Pareto Project Finance and also worked…

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#184 Nicolai Heidenreich | Marine Money, Investing, Shipping Fund, NRP Maritime, Career, Fundraising 55:49

3M ago55:49

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Nicolai Heidenreich is the managing partner of NRP Maritime Asset Management and has over 25 years of experience within the maritime and shipping sector. Since 2012 he has managed several portfolios of shipping and offshore investments worth in excess USD 150 million. Prior to NRP, Heidenreich was a partner at Pareto Project Finance and also worked…

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#183 Joakim Hannisdahl - Investing In Shipping 2024, And Founding Gersemi Asset Management (Live From Marine Money) 28:48

7M ago28:48

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This is a conversation that took place at Marine Money conference last week. Joakim Hannisdahl shares his journey as a shipping investor, and why he started the shipping hedgefund Gersemi Asset Management. Christopher Vonheim is a Norwegian host focused on business, ocean industries, investing, and start-ups. I hope you enjoy this tailor made conte…

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#182 Helen Czerski - Writing The Book Blue Machine, Ocean Science, How To Learn, Advice For Career 47:51

7M ago47:51

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Helen Czerski is a British physicist, oceanographer and television presenter. Czerski is an associate professor in the department of mechanical engineering at University College London. She has also recently released her book Blue Machine, a fascinating read about the ocean and how it shapes our world, how it impacts our lives and how it helps us t…

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#181 Engebret Dahm - Klaveness Combination Carriers, Combination Strategies, Commodities, Dry Bulk, Tankers, Decarbonizing Shipping, Culture & Innovation 51:51

7M ago51:51

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Engebret Dahm has more than 30 years’ experience in the shipping and finance industries, and is the CEO of Klaveness Combination Carriers (KCC). Prior to that he was the CEO of Norwegian Car Carriers AS and he worked in the period 1998-2000 for Crédit Agricole CIB in Paris. KCC has a unique fleet that consists of eight CABU combination carriers and…

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#180 Magnus Halvorsen - 2020 Bulkers, Shipping Lessons, Dry Bulk In 2024, Commodities, China And Investing 42:15

8M ago42:15

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It was fantastic to visit Magnus Halvorsen to record our third podcast episode. The topics are under: 00:00 - The Latest From 2020 Bulkers 03:03 - The History And Lessons From 2020 Bulkers 10:55 - Discipline In Shipping, Fleet Decisions And China 17:45 - Tankers And Oil Versus Capsize And Dry Bulk 21:20 - Dry Bulk Market 2024 (China, Brazil, Austra…

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#38 – Brage Lange om debuten som proffbokser og sosial angst 42:52

8M ago42:52

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Brage Lange (1-0, 1 KO) debuterte som proffbokser 6. april på Sentrum Scene i Oslo. Podcast: https://www.fightphilosophy.no/ My website: https://www.alexanderhagen.no/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hagenboxing/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hagenboxing/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@hagenboxing…

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#179 Lars Barstad - Frontline, Euronav-Deal, Tanker Party, Middle East, Shadow Fleet, Stock Valuation, New Technology, Career Advice 1:04:45

10M ago1:04:45

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Lars Barstad is the CEO of Frontline, one of the world leaders in the international seaborne transportation of crude oil. This is the second time Lars Barstad appears on Vonheim, and the first time was a fan-favorite episode. 00:00 - Geo Politics 05:47 - Frontline View On The Market 10:25 - The Euronav-deal 14:45 - The Frontline Machine 19:30 - Tan…

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#178 Morten Astrup - Hunter Group, Tankers, Oil Service, DOF, Brazil, Offshore Wind, Gram Car Carriers, Inflation, Bonds 42:55

10M ago42:55

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Morten Astrup is one of the most active investors in energy and shipping markets in the Nordics, and is currently the new chairman of Hunter Group. Morten Astrup founded Storm Capital Management in 2006 and has experience from a wide range of sectors and strategies. He is the executive Chairman of Storm Bond Fund and has been one of the largest inv…

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#177 Aristidis Alafouzos - Okeanis Eco Tankers, Shipping Investing, US Listing ($ECO), Tankers, Crude, Greece, Books 43:43

10M ago43:43

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Aristidis Alafouzos is the Chief Executive Officer for Okeanis Eco Tankers, ECO (NYSE) & OET (Oslo). The company has a modern and unique tanker fleet that has out-performed most of their competitors over the last years. Behind the company is the Greek Alafouzos family who has for generations been one of the most impressive industry builders in Gree…

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#176 Federica Maiorana (Highlight) - What Will Happen With Global Trade In 2024? 4:12

11M ago4:12

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Federica Maiorano is the Chief Commercial Officer at Spot Ship, and one of the most influential speakers on energy, shipping and material. In this episode, Federica explains how she got interested in shipping, and what she hopes to achieve with Spot Ship. We also cover stories on the crude market, Middle East and Panama Canal. Follow Federica on Li…

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#176 Federica Maiorano - Life In Shipping, Crude Market, Middle East, Panama Canal, Spot Ship, Broker Lessons, Career Advice, 47:28

11M ago47:28

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Federica Maiorano is the Chief Commercial Officer at Spot Ship, and one of the most influential speakers on energy, shipping and material. In this episode, Federica explains how she got interested in shipping, and what she hopes to achieve with Spot Ship. We also cover stories on the crude market, Middle East and Panama Canal. Follow Federica on Li…

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#175 Jon Kåre Stene (Highlight) - Hvor Lenge Kan Mennesker Leve Et Godt Liv? 15:22

11M ago15:22

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Jon Kåre Stene er medgrunder av Oda og Skyfall Ventures. Ved hjelp av sin gjennomføringsevne og kunnskap har Jon Kåre bidratt til at Norge har produsert mange nye tech-selskaper i ulike sektorer. I denne episode forteller Jon Kåre om ambisjoner, longevity, AI, krypto, kjernekraft og hvordan AS Norge kan bli bedre til verdiskapning. Follow Vonheim o…

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#175 Jon Kåre Stene - Ambisjoner, Investeringer, Longevity, Krypto, AI, Kjernekraft, Norge AS, Favorittbøker 1:30:29

11M ago1:30:29

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Jon Kåre Stene er medgrunder av Oda og Skyfall Ventures. Ved hjelp av sin gjennomføringsevne og kunnskap har Jon Kåre bidratt til at Norge har produsert mange nye tech-selskaper i ulike sektorer. I denne episode forteller Jon Kåre om ambisjoner, longevity, AI, krypto, kjernekraft og hvordan AS Norge kan bli bedre til verdiskapning. Vi får også 5 bo…

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#174 Anas Alhajji (Highlight) - My Predictions For Venezuela, Guyana, Brazil And Argentina In 2024 12:01

11M ago12:01

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Dr. Anas Alhajji is a renowned speaker and author of research papers and articles with a focus on oil and gas markets, energy security and energy taxation. He has previously served as chief economist at NGP Energy Capital Management, a private equity firm. Follow Anas Alhajji on X and Substack: Substack: anasalhajjieoa.substack.com X: https://twitt…

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#174 Anas Alhajji - Investing In 2024, Suez Canal, Oil Demand, Gas, COP28, EV, Latin America, Nuclear 55:10

12M ago55:10

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Anas F. Alhajji is an energy expert, researcher, author, and speaker. He advises governments, financial institutions and investors on various energy market issues. 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - Red Sea And Suez Canal 04:05 - Oil & LNG Markets In 2023 and 2024 15:02 - Russian Economy, Sanctions, And Oil&Gas Trade 26:45 - Common Sense, COP28, Climate Change …

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#173 Constantin Baack (Highlight) - Will German Economy Hit A Long-Term Recession? 4:43

1y ago4:43

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Constantin Baack is the CEO of MPCC, a containership company listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. Baack commenced his career in the marine operations department at Hamburg Süd in Sydney before moving to Ernst & Young within auditing and transaction advisory out of Hamburg and Shanghai. In 2008, Baack joined the MPC Group in Hamburg where he has since hel…

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#173 Constantin Baack - MPC Container Ships, German Economy, Valuation, Investing In Shipping, Dividend Policy 38:25

1y ago38:25

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Constantin Baack is the CEO of MPCC, a containership company listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. 00:00 - Summary of 2023 02:40 - Investing in Green Ships 04:38 - Risk Management 06:08 - Norway and Germany Collaboration 09:37 - German Economy 13:45 - How Bad is the Container Market? 17:25 - MPCC Long Term Contracts 19:15 - Will MPCC Be Sold In The Future…

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#172 Peter Warren (Highlight) - Om Tid Er Penger 10:41

1y ago10:41

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Peter Warren er investor og podcasthost i Tid er Penger. Follow Peter Warren on X / Twitter and Podcast: X: https://twitter.com/petercwarren Podcast: www.tiderpenger.no This episode is produced by Nomono: Tools for great storytelling Partnership, recruitment & Ad enquiries? For business and partnerships enquiries email christopher@bynorthernnorway.…

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#172 Peter Warren - Krig, Rutiner, Søvn, Aksjer, Boligpris, Risiko, Kultur, Råd, USA, Citadel, Filosofi, Tid Er Penger 1:56:21

1y ago1:56:21

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Peter Warren er en norsk investor og finansekspert. Peter er kjent for sin kunnskap og lidenskap innen investeringer, samfunn og geopolitikk, samt sin rolle gjennom podcasten Tid er Penger. Peter er også tidligere spesialsoldat, og enda involvert i flere prosjekter utenlands. Sist i forbindelse med Ukraina krigen. 00:00 - Halloween og status for 20…

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#171 Althea Spinozzi (Highlight) - Recession, Greed, And Outrageous Predictions 9:31

1y ago9:31

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Althea Spinozzi is a Fixed Income Strategist at Saxo Bank. Althea is an expert in fixed income research for Saxo Bank and works directly with clients to help them select and trade bonds. She has a background in leveraged debt, and is particularly focused on high-yield and corporate bonds with attractive risk and return. Follow Althea on Twitter: ht…

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#171 Althea Spinozzi - How To Invest In Bonds, Fixed Income Returns 2023, Duration, High Yield Bonds & Saxo Bank 43:23

1y ago43:23

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Althea Spinozzi is a Fixed Income Strategist at Saxo Bank. Althea is an expert in fixed income research for Saxo Bank and works directly with clients to help them select and trade bonds. She has a background in leveraged debt, and is particularly focused on high-yield and corporate bonds with attractive risk and return. Follow Althea on Twitter: ht…

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#37 – Harda Karim om sin første seier som proff i MMA 1:20:59

1y ago1:20:59

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Harda Karim (1-1) forteller om oppveksten med krig i Kurdistan, da han spilte basketball i USA, hvorfor han ville lære boksing – og han bryter ned sin siste proffkamp som endte med seier på AFN 3 i Stockholm. Podcast: https://www.fightphilosophy.no/ My website: https://www.alexanderhagen.no/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hagenboxing/ Faceboo…

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#170 Mikael Skov (Highlight) - How To Pursue Shipping & Fulfill Your Goals 3:26

1y ago3:26

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Mikael Skov is Co-Founder and CEO of Hafnia. Mikael has more than 33 years of experience in the shipping industry. Prior to establishing Hafnia Tankers, Mikael held various positions over his 25-year career at Torm, of which the last two years he served as CEO. Mikael is a board member of Clipper Group Ltd. and was an industry representative of the…

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#170 Mikael Skov - Hafnia, Product Tankers, Shipping, Entrepreneurship, Scaling, Leadership, Culture, And Career Advice 48:51

1y ago48:51

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Mikael Skov is Co-Founder and CEO of Hafnia. Mikael has more than 33 years of experience in the shipping industry. Prior to establishing Hafnia Tankers, Mikael held various positions over his 25-year career at Torm, of which the last two years he served as CEO. Mikael is a board member of Clipper Group Ltd. and was an industry representative of the…

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#169 Svein Harald Øygard (Highlight) - Hvordan Lykkes I Brasil? 16:27

1+ y ago16:27

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Svein Harald Øygård er styreleder for Norwegian og DOF, grunder av energiselskaper i Brasil, og tidligere sentralbanksjef på Island under finanskrisen. Sistnevnte erfaring førte til at Svein Harald skrev boken På Finanskrisens Slagmark, som er utgitt på flere språk. Link til boken: In the Combat Zone of Finance Podcast om renter: Vett og Vitenskap …

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#169 Svein Harald Øygard - Renter, Vindkraft, Finanskriser, Island, USA, Kina, Norwegian, Brasil, Investeringer, Olje og Gass 1:03:58

1+ y ago1:03:58

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Svein Harald Øygård er styreleder for Norwegian og DOF, grunder av energiselskaper i Brasil, og tidligere sentralbanksjef på Island under finanskrisen. Sistnevnte erfaring førte til at Svein Harald skrev boken På Finanskrisens Slagmark, som er utgitt på flere språk. Link til boken: In the Combat Zone of Finance Podcast om renter: Vett og Vitenskap …

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#168 Geir Førre (Highlight) - Lederskap, Politikk, Sjømatnæringen, Sveits, Kontrær Og AirThings 14:59

1+ y ago14:59

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Geir Førre er en av Norges fremste grundere. Han har bygget opp tre ulike teknologi-selskaper til milliard-virksomheter, og bruker nå sin kompetanse til å investere i Norges neste entreprenører. I denne episoden får du høre om erfaringene Geir har samlet opp på veien, og hvordan han ønsker å utvikle selskaper fremover. Episoden er også tilgjengelig…

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#168 Geir Førre - Hvordan Bygge Milliardselskaper, Firda, Ledelse, Grundere Og Norsk Næringsliv 1:02:06

1+ y ago1:02:06

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Geir Førre er en av Norges fremste grundere. Han har bygget opp tre ulike teknologi-selskaper til milliard-virksomheter, og bruker nå sin kompetanse til å investere i Norges neste entreprenører. I denne episoden får du høre om erfaringene Geir har samlet opp på veien, og hvordan han ønsker å utvikle selskaper fremover. Episoden er også tilgjengelig…

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#167 Philip Fjeld (Highlight) - How To Make It As An Entrepreneur 8:16

1+ y ago8:16

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Philip Eystein Fjeld has been working in the natural gas industry since 2002 when he joined Hoegh LNG, an LNG ship owner in Oslo. He later co-founded Flex LNG together with Jostein Ueland and Trym Tveitnes. The company was later bought by the John Fredriksen system. Philip then decided to start CNG Fuels in 2014. Which today operates the UK’s large…

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#167 Philip Fjeld - Lessons From Co-Founding Flex LNG, How To Decarbonise Trucks With ReFuels, And Advice For Entrepreneurs 50:39

1+ y ago50:39

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Philip Eystein Fjeld has been working in the natural gas industry since 2002 when he joined Hoegh LNG, an LNG ship owner in Oslo. He later co-founded Flex LNG together with Jostein Ueland and Trym Tveitnes. The company was later bought by the John Fredriksen system. Philip then decided to start CNG Fuels in 2014. Which today operates the UK’s large…

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#166 Ed Conway (Highlight) - The Six Most Important Materials, Energy Prices Moving Forward, China, Renewable Energy And The Big Opportunity Ahead 31:59

1+ y ago31:59

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Ed Conway is the Economics Editor of Sky News, and the author of Material World. He is a former correspondent for the Daily Mail newspaper and the Economics Editor of The Daily Telegraph and the Sunday Telegraph newspapers. Ed has a wealth of knowledge and it was a big privilege to interview him. Hope you like the episode and check out his latest b…

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#166 Ed Conway - Writing Material World, Making It In Media, And How The Energy Transition Will Play Out 1:03:48

1+ y ago1:03:48

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Ed Conway is the Economics Editor of Sky News, and the author of Material World. He is a former correspondent for the Daily Mail newspaper and the Economics Editor of The Daily Telegraph and the Sunday Telegraph newspapers. Ed has a wealth of knowledge and it was a big privilege to interview him. Hope you like the episode and check out his latest b…

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#36 – Alexander Martinsen om mental helse, pornoavhengighet og sitt nye syn på boksing 1:04:44

1+ y ago1:04:44

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Alexander Martinsen er tilbake og forteller åpent om angst, porno, friluftsliv og boksing. Denne episoden ble spilt inn 6.6.2023. Martinsen vant kampen mot Maugo på knockout i tredje runde. Podcast: https://www.fightphilosophy.no/ My website: https://www.alexanderhagen.no/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hagenboxing/ Facebook: https://www.face…

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#165 Oystein Kalleklev - The Success Of FLEX LNG & Avance Gas, What's Next For Shipping, Energy Markets, And Summer Tips 50:46

1+ y ago50:46

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Oystein Kalleklev is the CEO Flex LNG (NYSE/OSE:FLNG) & Avance Gas (OSE:AGAS). Previous roles include CFO of industrial investment company Umoe Group, Managing Director of Umoe Invest, and Partner of investment bank Clarksons Platou. Øystein Kalleklev is an excellent follow on both LinkedIn and Twitter where he shares insights on shipping, investin…

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#164 Pål Ringholm - Norges Beste Kredittanalytiker, Hvordan Forvalte Milliarder Som Investeringsdirektør, Og Hva Finansmarkedene Har I Vente 1:04:22

1+ y ago1:04:22

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Pål Ringholm har nesten 30 års erfaring fra bank og finans. Han er kjent som Norges beste kredittanalytiker, og vært topp tre både som Norges beste makroøkonom og aksjestrateg. Ringholm var en av de første som så finanskrisen i USA komme, og han er i dag ansatt som investeringsdirektør i PKH – en pensjonskasse med over 40 milliarder kroner under fo…

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#163 Sofie Olsen Jebsen - Hvordan Lykkes Med Flytende Havvind Og Sol, Og Hva Er Mulighetene I Fred. Olsen-Systemet? (Live Fra Nor-Shipping) 29:19

1+ y ago29:19

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Sofie Olsen Jebsen er leder for Fred. Olsen 1848, et selskap etablert innen Fred. Olsen-systemet. Med innovasjoner basert på dyp erfaring og kunnskap har Fred. Olsen bygget opp over 170 års erfaring med å identifisere og løse komplekse utfordringer. Fred. Olsen 1848 er et teknologiselskap innen fornybar energi som utvikler løsninger for bransjens u…

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#162 Amalie Eilertsen - Hvordan Lykkes Som Gründer? (Live fra Nor-Shipping) 35:55

1+ y ago35:55

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Amalie Eilertsen is the Co-founder and CEO of Norsjór, a Norwegian tech startup founded in 2021. They are building laser technology to perform sustainable biofouling removal of maritime surfaces, with the aim to reduce corrosion, fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emission by removing biofouling without harming the ecosystem. Learn more about the …

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#35 – Kevin Melhus om veien tilbake etter et langt sykdomsforløp, og hvorfor han vil møte Kai Robin Havnaa 1:00:39

1+ y ago1:00:39

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Nå på fredag fortsetter Kevin Melhus comebacket sitt med kamp på Chateau Neuf i Oslo. Vi prater om alt fra hvordan han kom tilbake etter at han fikk sykdommen postviralt tretthetssyndrom, til hvorfor han mener en kamp mot Kai Robin Havnaa er viktig for norsk boksing. Billetter til kampen på fredag: https://www.ticketmaster.no/event/this-is-boxing-b…

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#161 Geir Håøy - Utforsk Verden, Ta Muligheter, Og Fremtiden Til Kongsberg 48:45

1+ y ago48:45

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Geir Håøy er konsernsjef i Kongsberg Gruppen. Han startet sin karriere i Kongsberg i 1993 og har gått gjennom hele systemet til i dag å være øverste leder. I denne episoden forteller Geir om hvordan ti år i Asia formet han som leder og person, hvilke teknologier og industrier han ser vekstpotensial i, og hvordan Kongsberg jobber for å få tak i de b…

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