Music professionals, are you tired of starving and surviving? Let's achieve financial independence! Thriving Musician is an educational podcast hosted by Spenser Liszt, CFP® focused on financial literacy. Episodes include candid interviews from a wide range of thriving musicians, industry professionals and finance experts. Topics include building savings, planning for retirement, investing, insurance, tax preparation, financial organization, estate planning, music business resources and stra ...
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I’m a musician. Every time someone said to me, “you’ll never make money doing what you do,” I loved nothing more than saying “watch me.” Making it in the music business has never been more attainable, or open to interpretation. In this podcast, we’re finding ways that musicians can thrive. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/gabrielle-pitman/support
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Ep. 91: Free 10 day financial independence email course
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Ep. 90: Music industry expert creates free Music Business Accelerator (MBA) program
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Austin Breckenridge is the co-founder and Executive Director of The A&R Foundation. Born in San Jose, CA, he began his music career at 17, booking live events in the San Francisco Bay Area. In 2010, he founded Nemesis Media Inc., an independent label focused on emerging Bay Area artists. Under his leadership, the label released 10 albums, produced …
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Ep. 89: California attorney provides estate planning with heart
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Patricia De Fonte is an estate planning attorney and the founder of De Fonte Law PC, a boutique estate planning firm that works with clients over Zoom all over California. She started the firm to offer what she thinks of as estate planning with heart. She wanted to create a better experience for her clients to preserve family harmony, empower their…
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Ep. 88: Music career consultant helps find your B.E.A.T.
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Jessica Muñiz-Collado is a music career consultant, composer/producer, and Assistant Professor of Music Business at the University of North Texas. Passionate about serving musicians, she is also the Founder of NIZCO MUSIC – a music career consulting company that helps musicians compose their careers to their own B.E.A.T. Additionally, she serves as…
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Ep. 87: Music metadata expert empowers artists
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Join Natalie Jacobs, a seasoned music industry executive and consultant, as she shares her journey from Warner Music Group to starting her own business focused on music metadata operations. Discover essential insights on financial planning for musicians, the importance of comprehensive metadata, and practical tips for navigating layoffs and transit…
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Ep. 86: Union actor becomes money coach to destroy the starving artist trope
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In this episode, Brooke Tyler Benson, a money coach and union actor, shares her journey from aspiring actor to founding Not Starving Artists. Brooke discusses overcoming financial anxiety, redefining what it means to be a full-time artist, and the importance of financial independence for creatives. She provides practical steps to gain financial awa…
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Ep. 85: Music rights advocate starts her own business
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In this episode of the Thriving Musician Podcast, host Spenser Liszt welcomes special guest Jamie Dee Hart, a music rights management advocate and founder and CEO of Heart and Songs. Jamie shares her journey from performing on stage in her fifth-grade talent show to pursuing a master's degree in music entrepreneurial studies at Azusa Pacific Univer…
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Ep. 84: Recovering from financial mistakes
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Recovering from Financial Mistakes: Insights and Strategies for MusiciansIn this episode of the Thriving Musician Podcast, Spenser Liszt presents a comprehensive guide on how musicians can recover from financial mistakes. This episode, inspired by a follower's suggestion, includes insights from industry professionals about common financial blunders…
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Ep. 83: Financial Planning Case Study: Marc Rebillet
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What if Marc Rebillet had a financial planner from the start?I've been following his incredible journey toward artistic freedom since his early days in Dallas in 2016, and he embodies what it means to be a Thriving Musician.Here is my hypothetical financial planning case study of Marc's career, illustrating how artists can benefit from strategic fi…
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Ep. 82: Seasoned marketing executive discusses industry evolution and artist support
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In this episode of the Thriving Musician Podcast, host Spenser welcomes Carolyn Ortiz, a marketing and operations expert with over 20 years of experience in the music industry. Carolyn shares her journey from working at major corporations to founding her own record label and creative agency, Big Ass Kids. Through candid discussions, Carolyn highlig…
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Ep. 81: Texas CPA helps the music industry get the numbers right
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Rachel Stas is a CPA with over fifteen years of experience in accounting and tax services. She holds both a Bachelor of Business Administration and a Master of Accountancy Degree from the University of Oklahoma. She has established herself as the go-to advisor in the small business and artist communities and regularly speaks to both about their tax…
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Ep. 80: Student loan expert secures $10 million in forgiveness for clients
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Emma Crawford is a financial planner at an hourly-only, fee-only financial planning firm in Madison, WI. She has the CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER (TM) designation, the Certified Student Loan Professional (R) designation, and a master's degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of Minnesota. Growing up low-income, she remembers the stress a…
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Laura Donelan began her career in insurance in 1987 and has experience in Personal Lines, Commercial Lines customer service, Wholesale, and Marketing. She joined SterlingRisk’s Marketing Dept in 1994 and transferred to the Programs Dept soon after, handling all programs, one being property insurance for members of the Local 802 Musicians Union. In …
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Ep. 78: Bassist navigates the modern music industry
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Mat Maxwell is an American musician with almost two decades of studio and touring experience, specializing in the electric bass. He has played this instrument with some of music's biggest names, performing all over the world. Mat is also the author of “Hired Musician: A Guide to Getting and Keeping Gigs,” a book offering insights on navigating the …
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Ep. 77: Chess master shows you a better way to invest
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Rubin is the Founder & Chief Investment Officer of Peltoma Capital Partners. He and his wife Emily, and their daughter Olive Rae, live in Austin, TX. He has nearly 20 years of investment experience, starting as a commodities and fixed income trader at The Chicago Board of Trade, then as a Regional Director at Dimensional Fund Advisors, and most rec…
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Ep. 76: The music industry guide to making sound financial decisions
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A sustainable music business requires a stable personal financial plan.www.moneymaestroblog.com/guideAv Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 75: Financial literacy expert explains credit
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Lilly Chu worked at the Better Business Bureau Education Foundation in Houston teaching financial literacy to young adults and educating the public on consumer scams for 20 years. She holds a master’s degree in social work and has worked in the non-profit sector since 1995. Prior to becoming a social worker, Lilly was a freelance fashion and commer…
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Ep. 74: Music industry expert pioneers the mindset movement
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Having marketed, mentored and developed over a thousand artists and projects within the highest levels of the music industry, R Wayne Martin is the prolific strategic executive behind the careers of recording artists and music producers signed to his boutique management firm, mthree. And as the host of the Small Plates Podcast (with subscribers in …
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Ep. 73: Seasoned music professional balances business and creativity
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With a prosperous career spanning over 25 years, Neil Mason is a seasoned artist, manager, and record label founder in the music industry.Neil's musical journey includes being a part of three bands that have secured major label record deals, performed globally, and played over 2,500 shows to audiences in the millions.Neil's multifaceted involvement…
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Ep. 72: Artist consultant teaches the compass method
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Patrick Ermlich is a seasoned music industry professional hailing from Brooklyn, New York. Born into a musical family of opera singer-entrepreneurs, he inherited a unique combination of artistic and business acumen. He honed his skills through formal education, including studies at Northeastern University's music business program in Boston and The …
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Ep. 71: Former bassist moves abroad to study Sanskrit
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Casey Andersen was born in Pasadena in 1991, and his family relocated to Santa Fe, New Mexico, a year later, where he remained until he turned 18. His first instrument was the drumset, which he played from about age 6 to 16. In the fourth grade, he began playing the upright bass, participating in orchestras, Jazz and Rock bands, among others. He au…
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Ep. 70: Studio workflow expert gets intellectual
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Jason Hanan was born in Kenya, went to primary and high school in Washington, D.C., went to university in Montreal, Canada, and then moved to Los Angeles in search of warm weather and creative opportunities 21 years ago. He is now the owner and president of Pro Audio LA.www.moneymaestroblog.com/ep-70…
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Ep. 69: Former drummer becomes financial literacy expert
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Ryan Hurn enjoyed a 15+ year career recording and touring the world with Les Brown's Band of Renown, Andy Williams, Ann-Margret, and The Texas Tenors. Select performances include Royal Albert Hall, Cleveland Pops, Pittsburg Symphony Orchestra, Salt Lake City Symphony, & the Phoenix Symphony. He held endorsements by Vic Firth Sticks, Remo Drumheads,…
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Ep. 68: Being financially sound for the future with Spenser Liszt
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Andrew Simmons and Josh Matotek from The Home Studio Hangout Podcast interview Spenser about financial literacy for musicians, producers and mix engineers.We talk about the basics to set up early on and how to financially plan for your future as a freelancer.www.moneymaestroblog.com/ep-68Av Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 67: Vocalist manages mental health while touring the world and singing on your favorite film
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Sarah Eyden is a professional singer / confidence and business mentor for musicians. She has worked as a singer for over 25 years while managing depression and high levels of anxiety due to childhood sexual assault. She felt hopeless sometimes on stage and learnt how to manage it and go on to tour the world, work for Elton John, Tony Bennett and Oz…
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Ep. 66: Voice teacher leaves university career to start her own business
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Susan Hanlon Ferrer has built a career around setting singers up for the spotlight and helping them gain freedom and consistency in their singing. She holds a Bachelor of Arts in Music and a Master’s of Arts in Music with an emphasis in voice (both from UNT). Susan has been honored to give guest presentations for classes at LSU, TWU, UMKC, A&M Comm…
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Ep. 65: Music consultant creates inclusive community and coaches independent artists
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Lisa Machac is a music consultant, producer, and the director of Omni Sound Project, an inclusive community for women and marginalized genders in audio engineering. Her writing has been featured in Tape Op magazine and a popular Substack newsletter. She is the creator and host of the Reference Track podcast, which features producers and engineers d…
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Ep. 64: Music producer creates alternative funding model for independent music
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Max Allyn is a producer, engineer, mixer, songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist. He’s spent the last 19 years professionally producing artists and has worked with the likes of Joaquin Phoenix, Jason Wade, Toby Scott, Lifehouse, Steve Perry, and many more. His works have been featured in primetime television and high-visibility ads. Brands and netwo…
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Ep. 63: Memphis silversmith helps creatives plan for the future
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Lauren Estes is a native Memphian, financial planner and artist, creating copper and silver jewelry and art on copper. Art has been part of her life since she was little with her dad being an artist and having grown up in studios and galleries. Lauren has always done some form of art but finally took it seriously a couple years ago. It helps her fi…
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Ep. 62: Georgia musician creates financial plans while touring the nation
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Ryan Moore is a touring drummer, songwriter and CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™. After working an office job in the financial planning industry for several years out of college and gigging on the weekends, Ryan now tours the country with an artist named Pony Bradshaw and runs a virtual paraplanning company that provides outsourced financial planning s…
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Ep. 61: Laid off from your music industry job? What to do next.
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If you recently lost your music industry job, I'm sorry for your loss. Things will get better.If you're here to prepare for a potential layoff, I hope you never experience one.These are the crucial topics I consider as a financial planner when helping my clients.www.motifplanning.com/layoffsAv Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 60: Former professional musician kills the "broke musician" stereotype
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Jesse Josefsson from the Thriving Musician Podcast episode 55 interviewed Spenser on his popular Sync My Music YouTube channel!We talked about:What it means to be “financially literate”Financial mistakes I see musicians makeCommon sense rules to prepare for artistic freedomAv Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 59: Theatrical performer prepares taxes for creatives
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Carly Crawford is a tax preparer (Enrolled Agent, to be exact), lifelong theatre person, and online business manager with a penchant for cheesy carbs, cross stitching, and books of all kinds. Carly lives in Memphis, where she loves the heat and humidity and basically lives on her screen porch. Carly graduated from UNC Asheville in 2009 with a degre…
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Ep. 58: Guitarist and DREAMer supports parents on a musicians salary
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Sebastian Tenorio-Vallejo was born in Cali, Colombia but has lived in the greater Tampa Bay region most of his life. He started his career as a professional musician in 2015 and makes a living playing guitar and singing full time.www.moneymaestroblog.com/ep-58Av Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 57: Curious musician becomes a father and financial planner
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Mark Ettingoff grew up in the western suburbs of Philadelphia. He excelled in math, music and humor. Then moved to New York for college and was swallowed whole by his passion for expressing himself through performance, collaboration and recording. He's lived in Santiago Chile, toured 30 states and 5 countries and spent 7 yrs in the desert "finding …
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Ep. 56: LA musician becomes financial literacy advocate
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Rosh Roslin is an LA based guitarist, drummer, and digital nomad. Some of his credits include Def Leppard, Melissa Etheridge, Steve Vai, Maroon 5, Dweezil Zappa, A Perfect Circle, Kylie Minogue, Bush, Dweezil Zappa, Papa Roach, NOFX and more. With an ear for sound, Rosh bridges the gap between technology and music helping musicians both live, and i…
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Ep. 55: Sync licensing producer reaps the benefits of delayed gratification
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Jesse Josefsson is a 15-year TV/Film music producer that has secured over 7,500 TV/Film placements including shows such as American Idol, Keeping Up With The Kardashians, Succession and networks such as NBC, CBS, MLBN, MTV & Fox Sports.He has composed roughly 1,000 tracks that have been distributed through various Production Libraries including Meg…
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Ep. 54: Former artist manager recovers from burnout and changes the music industry narrative
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Over the last two decades as an artist manager, Andre Mullen has helped recording artists and labels gross $6,780,000 in new business, deals, publishing, and royalties. Then, in 2021, he burned out. So, he retreated. Now he runs a boutique consulting firm for artist managers and creative entrepreneurs and create digital products for artist managers…
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Ep. 53: Financial planner helps creatives realize their artistic dreams
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Lindy Venustus is a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ helping creatives with financial planning. She founded Create Financial Planning in 2020. She is a fiduciary fee-only trusted advisor that you can come to for honest advice, and not worry about commission sales.www.moneymaestroblog.com/ep-53Av Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 52: Texas singer-songwriter fosters love-hate relationship with spreadsheets
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Katrina Cain’s music has been described as many genres from Americana, to country, to folk. Simply put, she’s a singer-songwriter. She is most known for her stand out performances on Season 15 of NBC's The Voice, with her haunting rendition of “Rhiannon.”Katrina is a full-time performer, songwriter, and studio vocalist working in Austin, LA, and Na…
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Ep. 51: LA television producer becomes money mentor
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Katy Chen Mazzara is a trauma-informed Master financial wellness coach and graduate of UC Berkeley’s Personal Financial Planning program. As a former freelance TV producer and award-winning documentary filmmaker, Katy understands the balance between dreaming and doing. She helps creative freelancers and entrepreneurs make more, worry less, and achi…
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Ep. 50: Married Musicians Talk About Money
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Jordan Coffing is a singer songwriter, dog mom, amazing person and we are married!In this episode we talk about our personal money stories, combining our finances and how we communicate about money.https://moneymaestroblog.com/ep-50Av Spenser Liszt
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Ep. 49: How to measure your cash flow as a professional musician
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After calculating your net worth with a balance sheet the next step to understanding your financial wellness is measuring your cash flow using an income statement.This spreadsheet will map out all of your expected income and expenses throughout the year to identify shortfalls or excess cash flow.https://moneymaestroblog.com/cash-flow/…
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Ep. 48: How to calculate your net worth as a professional musician
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Before deciding where you want to go (artistic freedom) it’s crucial to know where you are today.Your net worth is a metric to measure financial wellness.Net worth ≠ self worthRemember, it's just a number. It does not represent your worth as a person or musician. It's a temporary snapshot of your financial situation. Use it as information or motiva…
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Ep. 47: The musician's guide to managing sudden wealth
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You spent an entire life and career working towards your musical goals and living a certain lifestyle. Then, in a blink of an eye, you experience a financial windfall. The possibilities are endless.Feelings start to arise. Joy, pride, guilt, grief, fear, overwhelm, etc. Perhaps all at once?Now comes the most difficult part. The decision...Learn mor…
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Ep. 46: Artistic Freedom: The best retirement accounts for musicians
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Retirement is a strange word for musicians.Financial freedom – working because you want to, not because you have to – doesn’t work either. Most musicians want to “work” as long as possible.So what future state are musicians saving towards?Artistic freedomComplete control of your creative endeavors.Imagine making art free of financial, contractual, …
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How Musicians Build a Fanbase that Brings People to Shows - SZN 4
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One of the things I’m most interested in this year, is how artists get real people off the couch, out of the house, and in the venue as part of the crowd they’re performing for. Social media followers and streams are great, but developing an audience that will make the effort to see you perform and hear your music live… It’s a critical piece of bui…
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Recovering Your Creativity After Burning Out - SZN 4
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Recovering from burnout is a slightly different process for everyone. But, there are a few ways creating and trying new ways of approaching your music/ art can help you recover faster. Personally, I’ve reached the burnout point more times than I can count in the past 7 years. That’s not a pattern that’s conducive to long-term momentum as I develop …
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Welcome back to Musicians Can Thrive! We're going to kick off this new season with the stories you know and love. Featuring a variety of independent artists developing their own definition of what it means to thrive in the music industry. A few things are going to change though. You might hear from multiple people in the same episode. I have storie…
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