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The truth is out West! We’re hopping on the ET Highway and venturing to the most notorious alien hot spots, including Roswell’s infamous crash site, Area 51’s eerie perimeter, and a mysterious desert watchtower. Join us as journalist Laura Krantz, host of the podcast Wild Thing , beams up to share stories from the front lines of UFO reporting—from strange sightings and quirky festivals to a mailbox where people leave letters to extraterrestrials. Maybe you’ll even decide for yourself: Is Earth a tourist stop for spaceships? UFO hot spots you’ll encounter in this episode: - UFO Watchtower (near Great Sand Dunes National Park, Colorado) - Roswell, New Mexico - Area 51, Nevada - Extraterrestrial Highway (aka State Route 375), Nevada - Little A’Le’Inn, ET Highway, Nevada - E.T. Fresh Jerky, ET Highway, Nevada - Alien Research Center, ET Highway, Nevada - The Black Mailbox, ET Highway, Nevada Via Podcast is a production of AAA Mountain West Group .…

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Welcome to Waking Up Is Not Enough: Flourishing in the Human Space! When you peek into the cosmic unity of existence and feel the love and inspiration of awakening, what happens next? Whether it’s through meditation, spiritual practice, Near-Death Experience (NDE), ingesting a mind-altering substance, or being born again, you don’t get a map for improving your messy life. In this podcast, Polly Young-Eisendrath and Michael Berger draw on expertise in science, psychology, adult development, psychedelics, NDEs, dreams, and Buddhist practice in conversations about compassion, resilience, responsibility, kindness, and development after awakening. You will learn how to chart a new path for flourishing in the human space in which waking up is important, but not enough, and growing up is never finished.

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 31 - Human Consciousness is Self-Consciousness: A Conversation with an Authority on Human Consciousness: Dr. Michael Lewis (Part 2) 49:25

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You may be confused about the word “consciousness” because it is used broadly to mean anything that has awareness of any kind — from a fungus to a dolphin to a human being . Unfortunately, this has been the way that we speak with each other about consciousness since Darwin came onto the scene. Consequently, as humans we do not know what our unique features of consciousness are nor how they are related to our emotional development and life. You may know the word “ego,” but you probably do not know how it relates to your self-conscious emotions, like shame or guilt, or even that you have self-conscious emotions. In this podcast, you will find out precisely the meaning of how humans are conscious because you will hear a conversation with Dr. Michael Lewis, an expert on human consciousness. The psychologist Dr. Michael Lewis from Rutgers University is famous for providing the exact test and the precise investigation of the birth of self-consciousness in humans. We are the only organism here on earth that is aware of its awareness in such a way that we abstract and theorize our own identities. Then, of course, we fight about th em and get polarized . In this informative conversation, Dr. Lewis talks with Polly and Mike about the beginnings and developments of human consciousness . Dr. Lewis is the foremost researcher on the self-conscious or social emotions in the United States, having spent 65 years investig ating them in his laboratory at Rutgers University. Michael Lewis PhD is University Distinguished Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry and Director of the Institute for the Study of Child Development at the Rutgers University Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. He is also Professor of Psychology, Education, and Biomedical Engineering at Rutgers. Dr. Lewis is a Fellow of the New York Academy of Sciences, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science. He is one of the most prominent social scientists in the United States and is a recipient of the Urie Bronfenbrenner Award for Lifetime Contribution to Developmental Psychology (American Psychological Associ atio n) and the Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award in Child Development from the Society for Research in Child Development.…

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 30 - Human Consciousness is Self-Consciousness: A Conversation with an Authority on Human Consciousness: Dr. Michael Lewis (Part 1) 47:43

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 29 - What Is the Point? A Conversation with Zen Master Barbara Rhodes About The Primary Point of Spiritual Practice 1:08:48

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Most spiritual practice, especially Zen, emphasizes a kind of engaged curiosity – remaining aware of the present moment. Why? What can we get from this kind of awareness that we cannot get from just enjoying a warm brownie? How can you drop your desire to control what’s going on in yourself and around you and what might happen if you did? In this sometimes light-hearted and sometimes serious conversation, Mike, Polly and Barbara – who goes by the name Bobby – tumble onto some extraordinary topics. For example, consider the possibility that good and evil, light and dark, are held together by love, by one great big hug. Bobby had that experience. She considers Zen to be the most down-to-earth way to live, in the present moment, making the best of everything. Why doesn’t everyone do it? Barbara Rhodes, whose Buddhist title is Zen Master SoengHyang, is Zen Master of the Kwan Um School of Zen. In 1992, she received dharma transmission from Seung Sahn, an eminent Korean Zen Master. She is also a hospice nurse who has served in that role for many years. Her new book Composting Our Karma: Turning Confusion into Lessons for Awakening Our Innate Wisdom came out with Shambhala Publications in 2024. It was edited by Elizabeth Goldstein, a psychologist and Zen student from Burlington, Vermont.…

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 28 - A Non-Dual Approach to the Philosophy of Quantum Theory: A Conversation with Dean Rickles PhD (Part 2) 53:47

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Support the podcast: https://gofund.me/621e367c Dr. Dean Rickles and Dr. Harald Atmanspacher have together developed a new philosophical model called “dual-aspect monism.” This contemporary philosophy of physics attempts to transcend the hegemony of materialism in responding to observer phenomena and other puzzles inherited from Quantum Theory. In this fascinating conversation, Polly and Mike talk with Dean about his own awakening, why his theory steps towards non-duality and how he imagines Quantum Theory can change the way we see our agency, responsibility and relationship to the world. This conversation ranges from Carl Jung’s theory of synchronicity to how music is like immaterial layers of consciousness and many more topics.…

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 27 - A Non-Dual Approach to the Philosophy of Quantum Theory: A Conversation with Dean Rickles PhD (Part 1) 46:36

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Waking Up is Not Enough Episode 26 - Enlightenment and Virtues in the West & East: A Conversation with Seth Segall PhD 1:52:12

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Support the podcast: https://gofund.me/621e367c In this fascinating and rare conversation, Polly and Mike speak with psychologist and Zen teacher Seth Segall PhD whose recent book The House We Live In: Virtue, Wisdom and Pluralism looks at three great philosophers – Aristotle, Buddha, and Confucius – in terms of how they teach virtues and wisdom. In a conversation about what is universal and timeless and what is specific and timely, Seth and Mike and Polly express divergent and overlapping opinions and views, while remaining curious about each other’s stances. If you have ever wondered about whether the meaning of “enlightenment” transcends geography and cultures, this is a great episode to listen to.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 25 - Unify Your Spiritual Development: A Conversation with Terry Moore 1:10:23

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GoFundMe Page - https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-real-dialogue-polly-mikes-podcast-on-awakening Polly and Mike talk with writer and speaker Terry Moore whose recent book Here.Now.One : A Practical Guide to Spiritual Life sheds light on ways to make spiritual practice an integrated part of everyday life and whose recent TED talk directs our attention to Oneness. In this conversation, Terry talks about the nature of awakening and the ways peoples’ spiritual concerns and beliefs can become one-sided and empty of vitality. Terry’s created a model or map called “The Unified Path” that assesses and instructs how individuals can engage body, mind, soul and heart in whatever practices they are currently doing. In speaking widely and deeply about the meaning of religion, God, and the search for Truth, Terry, Mike and Polly investigate the conundrum of language and how we talk about the ineffable.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 24 - How and Why Conflict Avoidance Is Harmful and Dehumanizing in Leadership, Families, and Communities 1:17:41

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We need dialogue with others who think and feel differently from ourselves because we so easily deceive ourselves. Every project we develop, from science and technology, to art and culture, is a long conversation with others. In these activities, our self-protection and self-promotion, as well as our desire to defeat others, clouds our self-awareness, but we can correct that problem through dialogue. When we avoid conflict and difficult conversations, we cheat ourselves of expanding our self-awareness or knowledge. Even well-meaning people may avoid conflict and gossip behind the back of a family member, co-worker, or leader and in this way dismissing another person or another position. Conflict avoidance is often a step towards dehumanization. In this fascinating conversation, Mike and Polly talk about how conflict avoidance diminishes waking up.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 23 - Welcoming Your Experience, No Matter What: A Conversation with Gaylon Ferguson 1:22:16

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In this lively and exploratory conversation, Mike and Polly talk with Buddhist teacher and author Gaylon Ferguson, Ph.D. Dr. Ferguson has led group meditation retreats since 1976 in many settings, but especially in retreat centers. He is the author of Natural Wakefulness (on the four foundations of mindfulness) and Natural Bravery (on the path of fear and fearlessness). Do you imagine that something is missing in your life? Have you been searching for spiritual awakening or some kind of deep transformation? Mike, Polly and Gaylon speak frankly about what provokes a spiritual search and where it leads. Along the way, they draw on Gaylon’s new book Welcoming Beginner’s Mind: Zen and Tibetan Buddhist Wisdom on Experienc ing Our True Nature. The book follows the famous ten Zen Ox Herding pictures and invites the reader to relax and welcome whatever is arising, moment-by-moment.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 22 - Awakening in the Context of Language, Culture, and Development: A Conversation with Anthropologist Bruce Knauft 1:25:58

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How are awakening and adult development affected by widely different languages and cultures? Mike and Polly have a fascinating conversation with Bruce Knauft Ph.D, Professor of Anthropology at Emory University. He is a long-term friend of, and expert on, the Gebusi people of Papua, New Guinea, as well as a long-term practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism who has studied its roots in Mongolia and the Himalayas. Bruce was the first person to write down the language of Gebusi in the 1980s. Later, he began to practice Tibetan Buddhism and to become interested in enlightenment. In this conversation he looks back over his own experiences in understanding how language and narrative interact with awakening and development. Unique in delving into specifics on this topic, our conversation adds nuance and subtlety to the topic of context or environment as they influence human development, awakening and individual awareness.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 21 - Why Early Buddhism Matters Now: A Conversation with Bill Waldron (Part 2) 1:12:27

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Bill Waldron PhD is professor of Religious Studies at Middlebury College where he teaches Indian religions, especially Buddhism. His recent book “Mind Only: Why Yogachara Buddhism Matters” is an important contribution to clarifying non-dual awareness and a non-dual way of life: no “object” called “world” and no “subject” called “self.” Neither object, nor subject?? So, what is reality? Mike and Polly have a lively and clarifying conversation with Bill about what these Buddhist teachings from the third century and why they are important now that theoretical physics and psychology are finally catching up.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 20 - Why Early Buddhism Matters Now: A Conversation with Bill Waldron (Part 1) 45:34

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 19 - Politics of Belonging that Transcends Identities: Conversing with Bayo Akomalafe 53:36

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In this episode, Dr. Akomalafe warns against colonizing our minds in the ways of colonialism: assuming we know exactly what to do to bring our situation under control or that we know exactly who we are. In this wide-ranging extraordinary conversation with Bayo, Polly and Mike discover new ways of thinking about body, life/death, and belonging while also finding a missing piece of the identity puzzle that truly breaks open all harmful models of “I am this.”…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 18 - Whole Brain Living: A Conversation w/ Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor 1:21:50

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In this podcast, Polly and Mike have a fascinating and frank conversation with Dr. Bolte Taylor about awakening and brain functions, as well as about the role played by psychedelics in today’s world. Jill raises concerns about the potential for brain injury and schizophrenia, especially in young adult users. She and Mike speak openly about the challenges and benefits of the widespread encouragement of using psychedelics for mental health in our current era in which many US states are debating the safety of making psychedelics widely available. In many ways, this conversation exemplifies the use of Real Dialogue as all three participants speak for themselves, listen mindfully to each other, and remain curious without necessarily agreeing on any or all points in this expansive exchange about awakening, the brain, and the social and psychological challenges and benefits of psychedelics on a large scale.There is no other conversation online that is quite like this one in its range, depth, and healthy disagreement.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 17 - What is the Nature of Post-Conformity? 1:28:01

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At the later stages of Ego Development, people naturally encounter self-evaluated standards in place of group norms and begin to feel intensive responsibility for their own achievements, self-respect and creative fulfillment. They no longer look to others for support or approval, even though they still long for it. Full-blown post-conformity gradually unfolds into coping with inner conflicts and ambivalence, respect for individuality in self and others, deep acceptanceof the unattainable, and cherishing of particularity and even irreconcilable differences. These types of non-conformity include complex thoughts, ideals, and feelings about themultiplicity of different selves in human social contexts.Some of these features can by perceived through conformist (and even somewhat post-conformist) lenses asbeing impulsive, manipulative, or self-promoting. In this podcast, Mike and Polly talk about these and other paradoxes involving post-conformist adult development that can be mistaken as uncaring or “off the wall.” At the “highest” stages of ego development, individuals often experience alienation and non-witnessing because there are few others who embrace the full wisdom of human awareness at later stages of development.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 16 - The Cost of Conformity & the Tightrope of Belonging 1:27:41

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You may believe that conformity means compliance or popularity. In this podcast, Polly and Mike talk about conformity (in terms of Loevinger’s Stage Development) as the need to feel identified with a group in which you comply with “the rules” in order be accepted and approved of. Conformity naturally begins in the 6 – 12 year old human, but it might stick around for a lifetime because a person unknowingly subscribes to certain roles and personas, even if they seem “non-conformist” — like some kind of identity that seems rebellious but has its own rules. Yes, humans can conform to non-conformity! Conformity is based on the conviction that group differences are real (more real than individual differences) and that people in groups are all alike. America markets conformity because it promotes products and media that are “just amazing” for everyone, as though we all want the same things.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 15 - Ken Wilber Uncovers: Zen, Awakening, & Stage Development - Insights on War, Ideologies, & Spirituality 59:46

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In Part 2, Mike and Polly engage with Ken Wilber, a prominent American theorist and writer in transpersonal psychology, in a deep dive into the intersections of psychedelics, spiritual awakening, Zen, and spiritual development with contemporary issues like war and 'woke' ideologies. They explore how these diverse areas tie into adult stage development, focusing particularly on the Mythic and Conformist stages. Wilber illuminates how individuals can inadvertently become ensnared in egocentrism or even narcissism during these stages, mistaking a sense of personal specialness for a recognition of their interconnectedness in a unified consciousness. Ken Wilber is acclaimed for his integral theory—a comprehensive four-quadrant grid designed to embrace all human knowledge and experiences. He is particularly renowned for integrating adult stage theory into a broader understanding of critical life processes: waking up, growing up, cleaning up, and showing up. This conversation promises to offer profound insights into the complex journey of human development and consciousness.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 14 - Ken Wilber Explains: Navigating Identity Politics and 'Wokeness' Through Adult Development Stages 49:01

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In a candid and open discussion, Polly and Mike delve into a fascinating conversation with Ken Wilber, an acclaimed American theorist and writer. They explore the distinct concepts of “waking up” and “growing up,” unraveling why the latter is crucial in today’s world. Ken Wilber, renowned for his integral theory – a comprehensive four-quadrant grid aiming to encapsulate all human knowledge and experiences – brings a unique perspective to this dialogue. He is particularly celebrated for his work integrating adult stage theory into a broader understanding of key life processes: waking up, growing up, cleaning up, and showing up. Amid the recent resignation of Dr. Claudine Gay as President of Harvard University, Polly, Mike, and Ken engage in a reflective discussion on the current state of freedom of expression and the complexity of thought within the realms of liberal and progressive politics in the US. They examine the nature of adult development, emphasizing the significance of self-awareness in avoiding the pitfalls of binary thinking and rigid beliefs. This conversation sheds light on how our personal growth can be hindered when we find ourselves entrenched in 'all-or-nothing' mindsets.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 13 - Cogitating on Donald Hoffman’s Conversations with Us: What’s the Take-Away? 45:21

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Mike and Polly spend some time reviewing what they learned and what they are thinking about in relation to their podcasts #11 and #12 . What are the implications for new developments in Conscious Realism? Because Conscious Realism brings human subjectivity into the forefront of what we take to be the “world out there,” it shares a lot with Real Dialogue. Where do they overlap? Where might they depart from each other? Join us in trying to understand how human consciousness grows and develops through “an interactive network of conscious agents.”…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 12 - What’s True About Human Consciousness? A Conversation w/ Don Hoffman, Ph.D (Part 2) 47:47

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In his current scientific investigations, Donald Hoffman proposes that the fundamental building blocks of reality are not particles or atoms but conscious entities. He also advocates for a radical shift in our understanding of evolution, suggesting it has shaped our perception to prioritize survival rather than truth. This thought-provoking perspective challenges our beliefs about reality and the nature of consciousness itself What do you believe about consciousness? Do you think it “comes from your brain”? Perhaps you’re aware that there is no scientific evidence that consciousness arises from a material source, like a brain. In this podcast, Polly and Mike dive into a complex conversation with scientist and seeker Donald Hoffman who is an American cognitive scientist and psychologist, as well as a popular science writer. He is a professor of Cognitive Sciences, Philosophy and Computer Science at the University of California, Irvine.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 10 - Stages of Adult Development (Part 2) 39:37

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What does it mean to be impulsive from the perspective of how you see yourself and other people? When does this way of acting and thinking first arise in human development and how does it change and adapt to self-control and self-care? Why is impulsiveness considered “ pre-conformist ” or reactive and predictable ? In this episode, you will learn about how your self-care can lack concern and compassion for others and under what circumstances your awakening can lead simply lead to more stereotyping and self-promotion.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 9 - Stages of Adult Development (Part 1) 29:54

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 8 - Predictable Differences in Adult Minds (Part 2) 48:03

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PART 2 What is the normal mind? Why do ordinary adults have so many differences and conflicts about what is real or true? Perhaps you have pondered this and looked at astrology, personality typologies, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), Human Design or some other set of categories to try to figure out how you are different from other people. Or you have just given up trying to figure that out. In this episode, Polly and Mike will introduce a map for adult development that is grounded in extensive scientific research and can serve as a new way of understanding types of people: this is why/how awakening can mean very different things to different people.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 7 - Predictable Differences in Adult Minds (Part 1) 42:32

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What is the normal mind? Why do ordinary adults have so many differences and conflicts about what is real or true? Perhaps you have pondered this and looked at astrology, personality typologies, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), Human Design or some other set of categories to try to figure out how you are different from other people. Or you have just given up trying to figure that out. In this episode, Polly and Mike will introduce a map for adult development that is grounded in extensive scientific research and can serve as a new way of understanding types of people: this is why/how awakening can mean very different things to different people.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode 6 - Ecstasy, Bliss or Equanimity: What’s Your Desire? 54:03

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In waking up, people experience and report ecstatic states. Often these states are associated with euphoria in which feelings of pleasure, ease, and excitement are greatly expanded. Others report bliss or a feeling of total happiness. And still others report equanimity or stability of the mind in experiences of awakening. In this episode, Polly and Mike talk about the kinds and qualities of emotional states that are sought by practitioners who want to wake up. What are the take-aways from these different states? What are you looking for emotionally in your awakenings? 1. Why do people seek ecstatic states through dance, drugs, religion? 2. What happens in euphoria? 3. What exactly is equanimity and why is it important in awakening? 4. Why is bliss sometimes understood as an obstacle in waking up?…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode #5 - What Limits What We Learn From Awakening? 46:54

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How much control do we have about what comes into our lives through awakening? What are the constraints on what we can learn? Is awakening good for our relationships? Does it matter how awakening is initiated – by the circumstances or the motivations? Why are there so many differences in what people learn, bring back, and translate into relating to self and other? What are the similarities? How can we best bring awakening into every day relationships and our ability to serve others?…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode #4 - What We Can Learn from Awakening? 53:21

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In this episode, Mike and Polly consider the take-away from awakening. Does it matter how awakening is initiated – our motivations, the method, what is driving us? Why are there so many differences in what individuals bring back and translate into relating to self and other? If we experience an “ontological shock” from awakening, whether we induce it or the awakening happens to us (as in NDEs), what allows us to “make the most of it”? What about differences in the ways we see the world? What makes waking up a positive, negative or even harmful experience? How much as to do with our personalities and how much with the ways we wake up? 1. What are the differences in your own awakenings? 2. What do you know about harmful experiences connected to awakening? 3. How are we affected by how we see the world and what we believe is true?…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode #3 - Why Wake Up? 56:55

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What are we seeking through awakenings? If we are not seeking, they happen to us through childbirth or Near Death Experience, are there differences? Why is awakening valuable and/or is it always valuable? What part does the desire for awakening play in our experience? In this episode, Polly and Mike talk about their own seeking and motivations for awakening. They also talk about Nature waking us up – as in death and Near Death Experience. What about prayer, unseen deities, and other non-visible forces? Are they pushing us to awaken or are they problematic? Why do some religions warn against awakening and against invisible forces whereas others promote them?…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode #2 - Who Awakens? 1:08:12

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While this question is a kind of Zen puzzle or koan, it is also the case that individual people have awakenings – and they have personalities and perceptions through which they peek into the infinite nature of reality and love. In this episode, Polly and Mike talk about their own awakenings and their belief/ideas/theories about how personality interacts with waking up.…

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Waking Up Is Not Enough Episode #1: Flourishing In the Human Space: Exploring Waking Up and Growing Up 42:52

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On this episode of Waking Up: Flourishing in the Human Space, the hosts Polly Young-Eisendrath and Mike Berger explore the different ways humans can awaken to a deeper understanding of themselves and the world around them. They discuss their personal experience with awakening and the sense of interconnectedness that comes with breaking through one's habitual way of experiencing themselves. In addition to discussing psychedelics and near-death experiences, they also explore the concept of waking up through experiences that can lead to acceptance and a newfound appreciation of life. Tune in to this thought-provoking episode to explore the mysteries of awakening and growing up.…

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