Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
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Dog Training, Confused Emus, and Forgiveness
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John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about pandas who fake pregnancy and how Abe Lincoln got body-shamed by an 11-year old girl. Plus, a conversation about forgiveness and grace as a habitual act. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Moving Walkways at the Airport: "We make you feel lik…
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Why Battle Language in Scripture Needs to Be Handled with Care (Plus Plane Crashes, Redshirts & Loving Our Enemies)
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John looks bad in volleyball shorts and talks to a coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the origin of the “redshirt freshman” in football and why the Beatles’ biggest hit was almost a song about breakfast. Plus, a conversation about the subtle difference between a wise person and a fool. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Oatmeal: “Tastes 45% better…
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The Perfect Sandwich, Dopamine, and Systems
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John supersizes his game day food and ponders a time before cellphones ruined us. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why a picnic is no picnic and reveals how a little citrus saved some British sailors. Plus, a conversation about goals and systems, and why one is more important than the other. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Hot Air Balloons: “The only…
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Neural Implants, World War III, and The Party of Principle
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John ponders neural implants and whether he’d want to control devices with his mind. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the guy who saved the entire world from annihilation by not doing his job, and shares the absolute worst inspiration Bible verse if you are a a wrestler. Plus, a conversation about the broken two-party system and the importance of s…
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"I Have Everything, Why Am I Still Sad?" A Conversation on Anxiety (Plus Outdoor Comedy and Lightbulb Jokes)
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John and Jonnie chat about the pros and cons of performing at a music festival. Then, Jonnie tells the tale of the very first chiropractor and shares some old jokes about changing light bulbs. Plus, a conversation about anxiety and brokenness, and why we need the proper perspective during hard times. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trophy Shops…
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How We’re Choosing Hope Instead of Cynicism (Plus Garbage Gifts and First Car Crashes)
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John gets a present straight from the garbage and starts a militia. Meanwhile, Jonnie wrecks his first car spectacularly and tells us about the longest baseball game in history. Plus, a conversation about choosing hope over fear and how our actions can make deserts or forests. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Bubble Tea: “When you want a drink y…
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John learns the origins of the slang term “Rizz” and raises a celebratory toast to 17th century Massachusetts. Meanwhile, Jonnie haunts his own car while it’s in the repair shop and reveals why being the opener as a comedian can sometimes be a real sweet spot. Plus, a conversation about idols and order, and how misplaced priorities can lead to all …
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Recliners, False Endings, and Good Intentions
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John’s recliner dreams are dashed and he hesitates to tell strangers what he does for a living. Meanwhile, Jonnie has nightmares he can’t wake up from and argues that a very popular trilogy of movies are all about 30 minutes too long. Plus, a conversation about how we evaluate others versus how we judge ourselves. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored b…
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Talking Volleyballs, Geometry, and Essentials
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John has to relearn geometry and tries his best not to be a bad sports parent. Meanwhile, Jonnie reminisces about school supplies that were also implements of carnage and reveals the history behind National Waffle Day. Plus, a conversation about disagreeing with someone without being disagreeable. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by High-Heeled Sho…
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Breakdancing, Olympic Painting, and Eternity
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John tells us about some odd olympic sports that got discontinued and learns about a forbidden dance that terrified Christian parents when we were kids. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders an old joke about traffic and reveals the story of the woman behind the most iconic line from a commercial in the 1980’s. Plus, a conversation about eternity and why it’s …
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John thinks the Olympic Steeplechase is unnecessarily dangerous and ponders getting our old band back together as a vanity project cash grab. Meanwhile, Jonnie explains why beefs between rappers are adorable and why learning about old political scandals actually comforts him. Plus, a conversation about faith in God that depends on an outcome vs. on…
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John thinks he deserves a cut of the proceeds from Jonnie’s comedy shows and dusts off his old Spanish lessons for a family trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie has the most expensive rental car ever and reveals the ordinary woman who inspired the Statue of Liberty. Plus, a conversation about stewarding an appreciation of the world around us and why you despera…
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John can’t spell “yogurt” and has a dog who gives himself shock therapy. Meanwhile, Jonnie isn’t sure a llama should be in your kitchen and tells us the surprising retail price of the nation’s first ballpoint pen in 1945. Plus, a conversation about whether ignorance really is bliss and why knowing the truth makes things better, but not necessarily …
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Cat Jokes, Canyon Crashes, and Interdependence
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John misquotes yet another popular saying and wants to die at age 100 in the most dramatic way possible. Meanwhile, Jonnie argues that “tearing it off quick like a Band Aid” is terrible advice and tells us how to inform your neighbor that their cat has died. Plus, a conversation about vulnerability, worry, and independence—and what the Bible really…
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Love Languages, Torture Songs, and Goodness
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John becomes an overnight Lakers fan and tells us what song could be used to torture him into submission. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a Celine Dion concert and reveals the secret to a great comedy venue. Plus, a conversation about prayer and how our thoughts steer the direction of our lives, for better or worse. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Fi…
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Why It's So Easy to Idolize the Days of Youth
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John shares his supervillain origin story and why he loves sitting in a hot car (even though it might be killing him). Meanwhile, Jonnie tells an old (and pointed) joke about religion, along with the story of the Automobile Club who got busted for helping speeders avoid the cops. Plus, a conversation about our idolization of youth, the marginalizat…
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John compares churches to soft drinks and reveals his wife’s growing (and dangerous) shoe problem. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and tells us about the time the Pope (literally) demonized cats and helped spread the Plague. Plus, a conversation about love and risk, and why a guarded heart is like putting plastic covers on yo…
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Doomsday Preppers, 25-foot Chickens, and The Truman Show
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John goes to a fishing rodeo and regrets not being a doomsday prepper. Meanwhile, Jonnie makes some new friends at a petting zoo and ponders being chased by 25-foot chickens. Plus, a conversation about Main Character Syndrome, victim mentality, and how to know whether you are being persecuted or just disagreed with. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored…
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Old New Cars, Jingles, and Contrarianism
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John tells us the secret to happiness and gives his daughter (and himself) a birthday gift. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes a bucket list trip with his 84-year old father in law and comes up with a new way to get people to look at positive news stories. Plus, a conversation about the laziness of contrarianism and why we will be remembered for what we built…
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John tells us why he would be a terrible NASCAR driver and the boys argue over whether professional wrestlers are athletes or actors. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a run-in with the cops because he forgets his phone and tells the story of NBC’s diabolical plan to get people to buy color TVs in the 1950s. Plus, a conversation about worry and the importance …
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John goes to extreme lengths to stop his snoring and attracts some local females. Meanwhile, Jonnie’s poor eyesight almost causes a scene at the grocery store. Plus, a conversation about letting go of our need for vengeance, and our inclination towards moral superiority. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Professional Wrestling : “Ironically less …
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John ponders what the best accent is and wants to bring back the word “comeuppance.” Meanwhile, Jonnie takes his first red-eye flight and tells the story of the time Johnny Carson saved the game Twister from extinction. Plus, a conversation about bias and why it so easy to make a hasty judgment before hearing all sides. Today’s episode is NOT spons…
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John changes his mind about lunchmeat and gets kicked out of a football game. Meanwhile, Jonnie turns the tables on a police officer, and tells the tale of the “Human Fish.” Plus, a conversation about self-esteem and the balance between knowing our value vs. over-inflating it. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Coffee: “You just woke up. Quick, po…
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Loaded Broccoli, Gift Horses, and Hope
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John threatens someone with a loaded broccoli and tells us why not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about redundant colons and gives his review of the newly re-styled Cracker Barrel. Plus, a conversation about success and happiness and why they are not usually the same thing. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Your Favor…
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You Will Definitely Be Forgotten (and That’s Great News)
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John gets a ’67 Mustang and some pointy sideburns, and wonders if relatives can see us from heaven. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders how long he could stand on one foot and ponders why having your accomplishments forgotten is actually a huge relief. Plus, a conversation about living by a standard vs. being ruled by our feelings or the actions of others. T…
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How Concerned Should You Be About the End of the World?
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John preaches the day before the eclipse and DOES NOT reference it in his sermon. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of a presidential candidate who lost an entire state because of the way he ate a tamale. Plus, a conversation about the American obsession with End Times prophecies and our human need to know things that cannot be fully understood. To…
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Analog Rebellion, Deep Fake News, and Divine Intervention
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John reads some listener emails and gets his writing into The Bible (but not like a heretic, we promise). Meanwhile, Jonnie is starting to fear Artificial Intelligence and tells the story of the craziest coincidence ever. Plus, a conversation about how tolerance and compromise is actually rooted in early Christianity. Today’s episode is NOT sponsor…
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Christian Music, Big Orange, and Sowing & Reaping
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John tells us what NOT to say in a fight with your wife and that we basically drink orange juice for breakfast because of a government contract during World War II. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a dumb idea for church drum cages and has a conflicted relationship with his team’s colors. Plus, a conversation about people doing good while working in a flawed …
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Ghost Shrubs, Arcade Robberies, and Perspective
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John heads to Las Vegas to help his daughter jump higher and gets scolded while gambling exactly one dollar. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets his computer stolen at a pastor’s conference and tells us about the time a woman got quarantined for life because she wouldn’t stop cooking. Plus, a conversation about faith as a lens by which we see the world. Today’s…
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John makes an awkward joke on primary Election Day and has a magical (and questionable) encounter with a bald eagle. Meanwhile, Jonnie plans a weekend of comedy shows in the path of the coming eclipse, which may lead to him sleeping in his car. Plus, a conversation about compatibility in marriage and why it’s not necessarily the most important thin…
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Death Threats, Stressed States, and Wonder
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John wonders what happened to the roadside Rocket in Huntsville, AL and tells us which states are the most stressed out. Meanwhile, Jonnie releases an old comedy clip and somehow finds the angriest people in Iowa. Plus, a conversation about regaining a sense of wonder and what it really means to have “faith like a child.” Today’s episode is NOT spo…
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John gets a go-kart and embarrasses his daughter with a “cool” handshake routine. Meanwhile, Jonnie jumps over the neighborhood kids with his bike and tells the story of a basketball player who saved a dolphin’s life in the weirdest way possible. Plus, a conversation about the importance of taking risks and why a careful life is more empty than one…
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John gets the flu and makes Jonnie sing the highest harmony notes ever at his wedding. Meanwhile, Jonnie ambushes John’s former teenage celebrity crush for a cruise ship selfie, and tells the story of Abe Lincoln becoming buddies with a guy who wanted to kill him. Plus, a conversation about how to disagree with someone without dehumanizing them. To…
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You wanted it, you got it! A special encore of Talk About That's 2023 Valentines Day minisode. The boys take a deep dive into the important topics like high school crushes, the best Valentine’s candy, and how long is too long in a hot tub. FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com Listen now on any platform at…
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Awkward Roses, Ten Lepers, and Neuroplasticity
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John gets jealous at a Boyz II Men Concert and teaches us about Neuroplasticity. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives his band’s demo CD to Tobymac in hopes of a record deal, and ponders what it would be like to officiate the wedding of Kevin Bacon. Plus, a conversation about the power of positivity and giving our spouse the benefit of the doubt, and the danger…
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Space Monkeys, Food Poisoning, and Pressure
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John offers a chimpanzee a promotion at NASA, and travels back in time to Meet Alexander Hamilton, and neither goes well. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the one thing you don’t do on a tour bus and ponders the time that Russia skipped the first two weeks of February. Plus, a conversation about performing under intense pressure, and the most important qu…
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Radio Silence, Patriotic Turkeys, and Contentment
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John puts all his memories in the cloud and begs Jonnie not to tell him the score of the game. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs in front of 16,000 people and hurts himself playing ice hockey. Plus, a conversation about toxic hustle culture, and finding the delicate balance between self-improvement and contentment. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by TikT…
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John worries about Jonnie driving in the snow, and considers getting his PhD. Meanwhile, Jonnie talks to his Uber driver and immediately regrets it, and ponders drinking from a boot. Plus, a conversation about the Illuminati and other conspiracies, our collective need for gossip and secrets, and what it says about our culture. Today’s episode is NO…
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John has a power trip as a camp counselor, but gets humbled by the Lord of the Landfill. Meanwhile, Jonnie licks windowsills and ponders his questionable clothing choices in the 90’s. Plus a conversation about the difference between talent and genius. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Pickleball: “Hope you’ve already met your insurance deductible…
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John plans to live to be 100 and drives on the emergency shoulder on Christmas. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes issue with the ending of Back to the Future and says something to a traffic cop that gets him pulled out of the car. Plus, a conversation about resolutions, vices, and remaining at peace with our neighbors. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Vit…
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The Grinch, Bathtub Boycotts, and Manifest Destiny
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John tells us about the perils of recording an audiobook and unveils the latest theme music for his “Quote of the Week” segment. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes love poems for a girl he isn’t even interested in and tells us about the time bathtubs got banned. Plus, a conversation about the problems with modern content creation and how legacy artists like …
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Christmas Fish, Toilet Paper Panics, and the Shoe-pocalypse
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John can’t stop replacing dead fish for his daughter and tells us the three words every parent dreads at Christmas. Meanwhile, Jonnie buys way too many coats and reveals his least favorite Christmas song. Plus, a conversation about irresponsible use of a public platform and how lies in print can have real world implications. Today’s episode is NOT …
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Cheetahs, Bad Listeners, and Christmas Toys
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John reassures Jonnie about his use of text emojis and admits he can’t multitask. Meanwhile, Jonnie finds a car wash with the dumbest name ever and tells the story of the original Doorbuster Christmas toy: the Cabbage Patch Doll. Plus, a conversation about how to be a better listener and learner. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Egg Nog: “Only a…
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Missed Selfies, Overconfidence, and Self-Evident Truth
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John comes up with a brand new drug, and tells us about General Custer. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes on tour with Nate Bargatze in his hometown of Knoxville, triggering anxiety about bombing in front of old friends and family. Plus, a conversation about enlightenment and the balance between living our lives and sharing our lives. Today’s episode is NOT s…
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Argument Rules, Shopping Carts, and Holes in the Roof
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John kisses dating goodbye, and tells us the one thing NOT to say in an argument. Meanwhile, Jonnie celebrates the inventor of the shopping cart, and the honorable Judge Wapner. Plus, a conversation about toxic hindsight and why it’s easier to be a critic than a creator. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Cranberry Sauce: “Much like your extended …
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Feeling Superior, Phone-Mo, and Freedom
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John discovers the subtle difference between prison inmates and referees, and unveils a new jingle candidate for his Quote of the Week segment. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders whether ancient philosophers would’ve been discouraged if they had put their ideas on Facebook and tells the story of Oprah Winfrey and a wheelbarrow full of fat. Plus, a conversat…
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Text Etiquette, Being “Cringe,” and The Gift of Angst
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John has a meeting with his inner committee and kills bugs for fun at dinner parties. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn’t like moving around onstage and tells us the unfortunate words uttered by the recipient of the first X-Ray. Plus, a conversation about angst, assertiveness, and whether some anxiety is actually a privilege. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored…
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Halloween Candy, Stolen Sleep, and Over-Editing
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John meets an archaeologist and steals gasoline. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders Halloween candy bowl etiquette and gives the telltale signs of a bad hotel room. Plus, a conversation about creativity and how to know when it’s time to stop editing your work. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Blackout Drapes: “Let the neighbors know you’ve updated your p…
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John reminisces about Hypercolor t-shirts in the 90s and keeps an inferior product because it’s too expensive to return it. Meanwhile, Jonnie wants to bring back neckerchiefs, gives a $20 tip to a comedian for a perfect joke about Dawson’s Creek, and tells the story about the time France launched a cat into space. Plus, a conversation about how to …
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Hitchhikers, Bad Directions, and Jealousy
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John picks up a hitchhiker and has a missed connection at a Michael Bolton concert. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn’t like his resting face and can’t find the southeast entrance of any building. Plus, a conversation about taking constructive criticism and being able to appreciate another artist’s work without feeling threatened. Today’s episode is NOT spon…
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