In-depth interview podcast with leading corporate governance experts, including world-class founders, scholars, board members, executives, investors and more. The content is structured as a long-form conversation to explore not only the latest corporate governance trends, but also to get some personal insights from some of the best and brightest minds behind America's boardrooms.
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Maggie Wilderotter: Strategic Oversight and the Attributes of Great Directors
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(0:00) Intro. (1:30) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:15) Start of interview. (3:05) Maggie's origin story. (7:08) Maggie's board career. Reference to HBS case study on her. On staying on boards between 8-12 years to remain independent. (10:19) On distinctions between serving on public and private company bo…
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Peter Gleason: CEO of NACD on 2024 Board Practices and Oversight Surveys – Trends and Takeaways
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(0:00) Intro. (1:23) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:10) Start of interview. *Reference to prior episode with Peter (E83 from Jan 2023). (3:00) NACD Surveys on Board Practices and Oversight: Private Company Results and Public Company Results. (3:44) 1/ On Technology Oversight: "We are seeing boards go after…
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Cedric Bru: CEO of Taulia (now part of SAP) on Boardroom Dynamics and the Value of Teamwork
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(0:00) Intro. (1:03) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:50) Start of interview. (2:24) Cedric's origin story. (4:30) U.S. talent management insights (cultural differences with other countries): current merit. (6:00) On his management career with HP, Visa, and Syncada from Visa (a joint venture between Visa and…
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Yvonne Wassenaar: On Boardroom Dynamics and Trends from Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro. (1:03) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:50) Start of interview. *Reference to E137 with Coco Brown (CEO of Athena Alliance). (2:47) Yvonne's origin story. (5:49) Her executive career starting with Accenture, and later with VMware, New Relic, and CEO of Airware and Puppet. (9:03) On her board jo…
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Javier Saade: From Capital Formation to Governance, plus his Top of the Game
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(0:00) Intro. (1:15) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:02) Start of interview. (2:49) Javier's origin story. (4:31) The blurring lines between VC and PE. Cross-over investors, growth equity investors, and other "alternative" financing. (9:01) On the capital formation cycle. Impact of interest-rates in capital…
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Carol Hansell: Insights on Modern Governance
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (2:30) Carol's origin story. (4:34) Evolution of corporate governance in Canada since the late 1980s. (5:51) The origin and focus of her firm Hansell McLaughlin Advisory Group, based in Canada. (10:13) On her personal board career …
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Oliver Cummings: Unlocking Boardroom Excellence - Insights from Nurole's CEO
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(0:00) Intro. (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:07) Start of interview. (2:58) Oliver's origin story. (7:00) His experience in private equity with PE-backed boards. (9:57) About the mission and focus of Nurole, the UK-based board search firm where he serves as CEO. (12:27) On Nurole's network of 65,000…
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Thompson Paine (Anthropic): "The Potential of AI Technology is Massive"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:05) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:52) Start of interview. (2:28) Thompson's origin story. (3:42) His startup work at Quizlet (joined a 5 person team) and Stripe (from 2k to 8k employees). Joined Anthropic in early 2023. (6:25) On China-US relations, and the course he teaches at Vanderbilt…
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Natasha Allen: Navigating AI Regulation, Exits, and Boardroom Challenges
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(0:00) Intro (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:06) Start of interview. (2:37) Natasha's "origin story." (6:25) On the risks and opportunities for AI. (8:39) On the regulatory landscape of AI in the US. Reference to President Biden's Executive Order. (11:40) On California's regulation of AI (SB 1047). (…
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Tyler Shultz: Theranos Whistleblower on Fraud and Startup Governance in Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro (1:06) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:53) Start of interview. (2:37) Tyler's "origin story." (4:50) His beginnings at Theranos. (7:07) On the culture of the Theranos, "the company was extremely secretive and paranoid." (9:41) On the lack of equity compensation for Theranos employees. (10:32) O…
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Ilya Strebulaev: Venture Mindset Takeaways for Board Members.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:39) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:25) Start of interview. Reference to E21 with Ilya Strebulaev from October 2020. (4:01) On why he wrote his book The Venture Mindset: for decision makers in large organizations. (5:37) About the first principle: Home Runs Matter, Strikeouts Don’t. Make sm…
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Greg LaBlanc: "It's Really Hard to be a Good Board Member"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:19) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:05) Start of interview. (2:58) Greg's "origin story." (5:31) His teaching focus. (8:04) Discussion on startups and venture capital and the era of AI. Behavioral finance and bubbles. (11:17) Bubbles in private (VC and PE) and public markets. (15:12) Stayin…
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Jennifer Dulski: "To Join (Your First) Public Board, Someone Needs to Bet on You"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:21) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:08) Start of interview. (2:41) Jennifer's "origin story." (3:41) Founding a non-profit at the start of her career: Breakthrough Pittsburgh. (4:15) The start of her tech career with Yahoo! (7:12) Her roles post Yahoo!: founding and selling The Dealmap to G…
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Sonita Lontoh: On Board Culture, Innovation, and Creative Tension
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(0:00) Intro. (1:24) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:12) Start of interview. (4:04) Sonita's "origin story." (5:45) Her professional career, starting with a startup in the gaming industry. (8:15) Her guiding principles for her career at the intersection of innovation, sustainability and digital transformati…
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Coco Brown: Founder & CEO of Athena Alliance on Board Opportunities and Governance.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:14) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:02) Start of interview. (2:37) Coco's "origin story." (4:32) Her professional background with HR, comp and IT. (6:32) Her time at Taos, a professional services business in IT consulting (17yrs). Ultimately acquired by IBM in 2021. (8:35) The origin story …
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Greg Gretsch: On Founder and Investor Trends from Silicon Valley.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:17) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:03) Start of interview. (3:08) Greg's "origin story." (6:53) From the University of Georgia to Apple in Cuppertino. (10:50) The start of his entrepreneurial journey in 1992 with his first company. (13:03) The boom and bust cyclical nature of Silicon Valle…
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Patrick Gadson: Shareholder Activism in 2024 and its Evolving Dynamics.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:23) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:10) Start of interview. (2:40) Patrick's "origin story." (3:41) His time at Skadden and Olshan Frome Wolosky (leading shareholder activism legal practice). (4:38) Joining Vinson & Elkins to co-build shareholder activism practice. (6:40) Distinguishing bet…
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Leah Solivan: The Entrepreneur's Journey to the Boardroom.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (2:40) Leah's "origin story." (3:41) Her time at IBM. (4:48) Her founding story of TaskRabbit (Boston, 2008). (12:43) The evolution of her board at TaskRabbit, and how to think about (startup) board composition and scaling. (20:31)…
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Jeffrey Saviano (EY): "I Feel Strongly That We Need a Hippocratic Oath for AI"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:58) Start of interview. (2:43) His role at EY and appointments at Harvard's Safra Center for Ethics (ELSCE), MIT and Boston University. (5:23) Defining AI. Reference to the 1956 Dartmouth AI conference. (8:29) GAI, AI market and valuations. (11:31) On AI …
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Amy Banse: On Board Dynamics and Listening Through Company Stages.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:12) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:00) Start of interview. (3:10) Amy's "origin story." (6:23) Her time leading Comcast Ventures, and how Corporate Venture Capital (CVC) has evolved. (9:08) Why SF/Silicon Valley as a tech hub for Comcast Ventures. (11:19) Her first public company board exp…
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Teresa Johnson: On ESG, Boardroom Diversity, and Truth to Power.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:04) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:51) Start of interview. (2:54) Terry's "origin story." (5:18) The start of her legal career with O'Melveny & Myers. (8:35) Her time at Howard Rice and her current role at Arnold & Portner (the firms merged in 2012). (11:34) Her book ESG, the Professional'…
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Mary Inman: On Theranos, Meta and Representing High Profile Whistleblowers.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:14) Start of interview. (3:30) Mary's "origin story." (5:32) Her start as a whistleblower lawyer at Philips & Cohen. The advent of US Whistleblower reward programs (CFTC, SEC, IRS, Transportation, Treasury, and DOJ soon). (7:50) The Theranos case and her …
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Katherine Henderson and Amy Simmerman: 2023 Delaware Corporate Law and Litigation Year in Review
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(0:00) Intro (1:02) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:49) Start of interview. (2:37) Katherine Henderson's "origin story." (5:05) Amy Simmerman's "origin story." (8:02) The origin and focus of their Delaware Corporate Law and Litigation Year in Review. (9:14) Caseload of Delaware Court of Chancery judges. (12…
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Vice Chancellor J. Travis Laster of the Delaware Court of Chancery: Ten Years of Trados, A Discussion of Fiduciary Duties.
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(0:00) Intro. (2:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (3:13) Start of interview. [Interviewer: UC Law SF Professor Abe Cable. Reference to his article "Does Trados Matter?" (2019)]. (4:17) Summary of the Trados case by Vice-Chancellor Laster. (9:44) Concept of "residual value maximization." Distinguishing betwe…
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Alexandre Rangel: Institutional Investors' Engagement in Latin America.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (4:00) Alexandre's "origin story." His time as Commissioner of the Brazilian Securities and Exchange Commission (CVM) (2020-2023). (7:34) On his OECD background note on Institutional Investors' Engagement in Latin America (2023). (…
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Richard Blake: WSGR's 2023 Silicon Valley 150 Corporate Governance Report.
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(0:00) Intro. (0:55) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:41) Start of interview. (2:21) Richard's "origin story." His position as Chair of WSGR's public company practice and Chair of the Nasdaq Listing and Hearing Review Council. (7:30) On the origins and focus of WSGR's 2023 Silicon Valley 150 Corporate Govern…
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Scott Kupor: Navigating the VC and Startup Governance Landscape in 2024.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:36) About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:23) Start of interview. (3:33) On the collapse of SVB and its impact to Silicon Valley and the VC industry. (9:05) On the state of private markets. *Reference to Aileen Lee's post on Unicorn update (2013-2024). (14:35) How VCs are approaching tough con…
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Nicolas Darveau-Garneau: "The Greatest AI Risk is Inaction."
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(0:00) Intro. (1:28) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:14) Start of interview. (3:09) Nick's "origin story." (6:36) On his first startup IMix.com (focused on music streaming) (7:55) His pivot as an equity analyst at Sanford Bernstein. (8:32) His focus on investing in and advising internet companies. (9:56) Hi…
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Joe Grundfest: "The Biggest Governance Trend for 2024 is the Corporation as a Piñata."
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(0:00) Intro. (2:21) About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (3:08) Start of interview. (3:50) On collapse of SVB & other banks. Lessons for board members. *Reference to video from Stanford Rock Center (12:00) On the state of private markets and unicorns. Downturn and shutdowns in VC-backed startups. *Per Pitchbook…
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Elizabeth Pollman and Yifat Aran: Ousted, Startup Failure and Equity Compensation in the Unicorn Era.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:28) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:15) Start of interview. (3:16) Yifat's "origin story." (6:20) Yifat's bio and positions at the University of Haifa and Technion - Israel Institute of Technology. (8:00) About Elizabeth Pollman, Professor at the Penn Carey Law School at the U. of Pennsylva…
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Larry Clinton: "The Essence of Cybersecurity is that All the Incentives Favor the Bad Guys."
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(0:00) Intro. (1:21) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:08) Start of interview. (2:49) Larry's "origin story." (4:49) About the Internet Security Alliance (ISA). Founded in 2000 by former Congressman Dave McCurdy, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Larry joined as CEO from the beginning. "The…
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Joe Nocera and Kate O'Leary: Unpacking HBO's Succession (Season 4).
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*Prior episodes reviewing Succession: Season 1: E98 (May 22, 2023) Season 2: E102 (June 26, 2023) Season 3: E109 (Sept 11 , 2023) 0:00 -- Intro. 2:12-- About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:58 -- Start of interview. 3:54 -- On the influence and leadership style of Logan Roy. The "ultimate corporate governance chal…
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Ker Gibbs: On Geopolitics and US-China Relations.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:26-- About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:13 -- Start of interview. 3:47 -- Ker's "origin story." 7:41 -- His history with the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai (AmCham). 9:42 -- About his book “Selling to China. Stories of Success, Failure and Constant Change.” (2023). "We felt that it wa…
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John Coates: The Problem of Twelve, Index Funds and Private Equity.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:26-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:13 -- Start of interview. 2:45 -- John's "origin story." His time at WLRK and at the SEC. 4:15 -- His focus at Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. 4:39 -- About his book THE PROBLEM OF TWELVE: When a Few Financial Institutions Control Every…
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Abby Adlerman: On Board Oversight, Accountability, Risk Mitigation and Strategy (OARS).
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:14-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:09 -- Start of interview. 2:41 -- Abby's "origin story." 4:11 -- Her time at Hambrecht & Quist. Distinctions between IPO market in the 1990s and the current environment. Her time as a CEO of a venture-backed e-commerce company. Her time at Russell Reyn…
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Private Companies and Startup Governance: with Evan Epstein, Heidi Roizen and Dan Siciliano.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:27 -- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:23 -- Intro of Webinar (and speakers) by Nancy Easterbrook, Executive Director of SVDX. 5:33 -- Start of webinar by Dan Siciliano, Chair of SVDX. 6:40 -- Some differences between private (VC-backed) and public boards. 9:23 -- The role of independent d…
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Julie Daum: "The Aging of U.S. Boards and Lack of Turnover is a Real Issue."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:11-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:08 -- Start of interview. 2:47 -- Julie's "origin story." She started her work with boards in the early 1980s with Catalyst (a non-profit women's organization whose mission is to promote women in corporate America). 5:46 -- Now she's leading the Board …
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Mauro Cunha: Governance and Board Experience from Brazil.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:38-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:34 -- Start of interview. 3:13 -- Mauro's "origin story." 4:11 -- About AMEC, and his time as CEO of the organization (2012-2017). Prior, he was Chairman of IBGC (2008-2010). "My first mission as CEO of AMEC was to become the first independent director…
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Brian Stafford, CEO of Diligent: "Companies That Do ESG The Right Way, Tie It Back To Their Strategy."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:21-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:17 -- Start of interview. 2:49 -- Brian's "origin story." He founded a startup that sold cars online in the dot com era (CarOrder) based out of Austin TX. He later worked at McKinsey & Co. From there he moved to Diligent as CEO. 6:17 -- The history, mi…
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Joyce Cacho: "ESG Provides An Opportunity To Do Some Hard Work."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:10 -- About new podcast sponsor American College of Governance Counsel. 2:28 -- Start of interview. 3:17 -- Joyce's "origin story" 5:22 -- Joyce's academic focus and executive career before joining boards of directors. 8:12 -- On her board journey. "It began with non-profit board work." On serving in different types of boards. "The…
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Suzanne Brown: The NYSE Board Diversity Initiative.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:43 -- Start of interview. 2:11 -- Suzanne's "origin story" "One of my proudest jobs was working with the NJ Pandemic Relief Fund" 14:12 -- Joining the NYSE Board Diversity Initiative. *reference to Chief ("the only private membership network focused on connecting and supporting women executive leaders") 15:22 -- Three key NYSE ESG …
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Victor Arias: "Boards Are Looking For Strong Core Values: Integrity, Ethics, Leadership and Judgment."
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0:00 -- Intro. 2:02 -- Start of interview. 3:02 -- Victor's "origin story" 5:30 -- Joining Stanford University's Board of Trustees, and later the board of Popeye’s Louisiana Kitchen (NASDAQ: PLKI). 9:06 -- His current position as Managing Director and Practice Leader, Consumer and Retail at Diversified Search Group, working primarily in the Board o…
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HBO’s Succession with Sean Berkowitz and Kate O’Leary (Season 3)
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0:00 -- Intro. *reference to our episodes reviewing Succession Season 1: E98 of this podcast (May 22, 2023) and Season 2: E102 (June 26, 2023). 2:00 -- Start of interview. 3:50 -- About Sean Berkowitz and the Enron Case: prosecuting Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling (2006). 7:05 -- On whistleblowers and avoiding retaliation. "Whistleblowers are one of the …
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Heidi Roizen: On Startup Governance and The Startup Solution.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:35) Start of interview. *Link to our first episode: E6 from June 2020. (2:18) On the origin story of her new podcast: The Startup Solution with Heidi Roizen. (4:23) The Case of the Boardroom Blow-Up. How entrepreneurs should go from 'pitching' to 'partnering' with their investors. "Entrepreneurs get stuck in pitch mode." On terms "…
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David Larcker and Brian Tayan on "The Art and Practice of Corporate Governance."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:38 -- Start of interview. 2:26 -- On the origin story of their latest book: "The Art and Practice of Corporate Governance." 7:32 -- About the Boeing 737Max case. The cultural shift. "Safety was just a given." 12:29 -- About Netflix's "Radical Transparency in the Boardroom." Reference to their 2010 case study "Equity on Demand, the …
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Lisa Shalett: "We Are in a High Velocity Environment of Tremendous Change."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:21 -- Start of interview. 2:10 -- Lisa's "origin story" 2:59 -- Her connection to Japan. 6:29 -- Her experience in investing banking, mostly with Goldman Sachs (20-year career). 15:55 -- On her board journey, and the distinctions between serving on private (VC or PE backed) and public boards. 19:57 -- On Extraordinary Women on Boar…
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Benjamin Means and Douglas Moll: Governance in Closely Held Corporations.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:38 -- Start of interview. 2:31 -- Benjamin Mean's "origin story." He is a Professor of Law and the John T. Campbell Chair in Business and Professional Ethics at the University of South Carolina School of Law. 4:14 -- On family businesses, legal education and the Family and Small Business Program at the University of South Carolina …
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Cynthia Jamison: "In this Downturn Boards Should Focus on Liquidity and Incentive Plans."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:09 -- Start of interview. 1:37 -- Cindie's "origin story." 3:41 -- On her executive career before joining boards. 5:31 -- On her turnaround CFO career. Joining Tatum, an executive services firm, and her CFO turnaround/crisis practice. 15:14-- Her transition to public company board service. Her first board role in 2003 with Horizon …
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Alicia Syrett: "The Chair Should Focus the Agenda Primarily on Strategic Discussions."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:18 -- Start of interview. 1:53 -- Alicia's "origin story" and her career in finance and search/recruiting industry. 4:52 -- Her role founding investment firms. She was the first employee and CAO at Mount Kellett Capital Management and founded Pantegrion Capital, an investment vehicle focused on seed and early stage investments. 7:0…
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HBO’s Succession “The Dumpster Fire Pirate Death Ship” (Season 2)
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0:00 -- Intro. *Note: you can check out our analysis of Succession's first season in E98 of this podcast (published on May 22nd, 2023). 1:43 -- Start of interview. 4:03 -- Governance challenges to family-owned companies. 5:50 -- On Kendall's car accident and legal implications. Issues of corporate wellness, mental issues and drug-use. *Story on Tys…
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