EP88: René Girard: The Founding of Religion and State - Gracearchy with Jim Babka

Gracearchy with Jim Babka

This is the most important episode of Gracearchy, yet.

The work of René Girard provides the "anthropological underpinnings" of Gracearchy with Jim Babka. Anthropology is the study of human society, including its origins, culture, social structures, and language. That's a pretty big topic, but this episode goes deeper.

Girard's work is much like a "Theory of Everything." We recognize that this might be a turn-off. Some people prefer to show more sophistication by having a big catalog of explanations, perhaps two for every different subject. But in this episode, we show how Girard's work starts as a literary theory, then journeys on to anthropology and psychology, then travels through mythology, theology, and, finally, sociology.

By traveling this path, as you will in this episode, you learn the origin of the State and of religion.

And not only those things, but also the source of cultural rituals, political behaviors, and war.

We cover all of that in this one episode! So the claim, that this is the most important episode we've yet done... Well, that's real.

The Scapegoat

The original goal of this episode was to cover and explain the role of the Scapegoat in René Girard's theory. But the conversation took off in inspired ways.

The concept of the Scapegoat sits at the intersection of my personal theology and my Voluntaryist social philosophy. And Jim couldn't help himself -- he had to explain how it fits into a big picture.

The Scapegoat is a sacrificial concept. Both institutional religion and statism are founded in and sustained by the blood of innocents. And the recognition of the Scapegoat can be an invitation to the end of superstition.

Our journey includes Oedipus, Caiaphas, Hobbes, Nietzsche, and Kaepernick (yes, the quarterback). Examples from literature, history, and current events are also included.

We hope you'll listen, slowly, carefully -- maybe even twice. This episode is that foundational.

TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Opening

1:01 There was a Part 1

4:39 Mimetic desire

7:07 Mirror rivals

8:33 Hobbes understood mimetic rivalry

12:18 Political parties sell rivalry

15:16 A literary theory becomes anthropology

17:03 Great authors as proto-psychoanalysts

19:25 Thesis for this episode

20:33 Mythological solution to violence

22:54 Understanding the Scapegoat

25:36 The innocent victim in mythology

31:35 Justifying the sacrificial murder

34:29 Girard discovers a break in the pattern

36:33 Biblical arc away from sacrifice

39:35 Awareness Girardian insight 1

41:46 Sociology, founding religion and state

42:44 Purpose of rituals

45:37 Power is narcotic, mob's cup of blood

46:52 Communion Girardian insight 2

50:10 Judge not - take up your cross

51:44 Nietzsche the great theologian

54:14 Ideologies, current pagan religions

55:34 Religion, Mythological vs Biblical

57:00 Why playing Victim is the power play

59:57 Is Jim pro- or anti-religion?

Show Notes

Episode 7 - René Girard and Memetic Desire: https://youtu.be/8yvv-3WYKIs

Thank you to Sarah Perry whose article "Fluid Rigor" appeared May 4 2017 issue of Ribbonfarm and includes the illustration we use in this episode - https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2017/05/04/fluid-rigor/

Bill Protzmann is your moderator.

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