Learning Systems Thinking • Diana Montalion & Charles Humble

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Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant
RESOURCES
Diana
https://hachyderm.io/@diana
https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky.social
https://x.com/dianamontalion
https://github.com/dianamontalion
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion
https://blog.montalion.com
https://learningsystemsthinking.com

Charles
https://twitter.com/charleshumble
https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble
https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

Links
https://xkcd.com/386
DESCRIPTION
Diana Montalion and Charles Humble explore the complexities of systems thinking particularly in tech environments resistant to change. Diana shares insights on the frustrations of introducing new ideas in hierarchical organizations, where power dynamics and skepticism often block innovation.
They discuss the importance of patience, community support, and accepting that recognition may not come when challenging ingrained structures. Diana also reflects on the personal growth she experienced while writing her book, including navigating her ADHD diagnosis and learning to embrace uncertainty. Together, they highlight the need for resilience and collaboration in driving meaningful, systemic change in tech.
Struggling to make systems thinking work in rigid, hierarchical environments? You're not alone. Dive into Diana Montalion and Charles Humble’s conversation on resilience, innovation, and driving real change in tech.
Discover Diana Montalion’s insights on systems thinking and overcoming hierarchical challenges in tech with Charles Humble. Essential read for anyone driving change in complex environments.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ
Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance • https://amzn.to/4ekfJU0
Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV
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1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. What is Systems Thinking? (00:01:55)

3. Systems Thinking & microservices (00:10:20)

4. Leverage points & counterintuitive solutions (00:16:11)

5. Navigating hierarchy & Systems Thinking (00:28:44)

6. The journey of writing a Systems Thinking book (00:38:49)

7. Outro (00:49:27)