For us, ministry fundraising is the overflow of a deep sense of purpose. In “It’s Not About the Money”, we look past formulas, and explore both the nuance and the big picture of the fundraising journey. It’s not about tips, tricks, or clever phrasing. It’s about being grounded. Each episode focuses on an aspect of real life as a support-seeker. We hold space for both practice and theory. Join us as we explore the truth that, while the funding is essential, it’s not about the money.
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It’s not about the money is for women in business who know they want to make more money whilst holding onto more money and growing an abundance of wealth. You're tired of overgiving, undercharging and being stuck in a scarcity money mindset. You know you have it in you, you just need financial confidence and an abundant mindset. You're excited and ready to learn what it takes to make more money, invest and step into wealth. Hosted by Catherine Morgan, Author, Award-winning Financial Wellbein ...
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Research tells us that 90% of all financial decisions are made emotionally, not logically. For nearly four decades, Rick Kahler, CFP®, CFT-I™, has helped people make better money decisions. What makes his financial world view different from most financial experts? He blend the nuts and bolts of financial advice with the emotions that drive making them. Every financial behavior, whether it appears illogical to you or others, makes perfect sense when we understand the underlying beliefs, feeli ...
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29. Amy Young on Your Humanity in Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode, Heather and Andy dive into a profound discussion with Amy Young, founder of Global Trellis and co-founder of Velvet Ashes. Amy shares her extensive experience in support-based ministry, spanning nearly three decades, and her insights into honoring humanity in the fundraising process. …
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161 - Exploring The Fears of Not Owning a Home
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Is homeownership the dream for everyone? Join Rick as he dives into the complex emotions behind renting vs. owning. Discover the hopes, fears, and personal factors that shape this life-altering decision. This insightful exploration goes beyond finances, offering valuable perspectives for financial planners and individuals seeking a holistic underst…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are joined by Amy Young of Global Trellis as we recap the Halligan episode and talk about the multifaceted reality of transition and disruption. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM…
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160 - Beyond Golden Years: Unraveling the Emotional Maze of Senior Financial Planning
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Forget financial utopias! This episode tackles the often-overlooked emotional realities of senior financial planning. Explore the unique hurdles faced by seniors, from navigating changing health to grappling with complex financial decisions. This eye-opening journey provides crucial insights for both seniors and their loved ones, empowering you to …
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28. The Halligans on Facing the Unexpected
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! When life "throws a curveball," how do we navigate the unexpected challenges that shake the foundation of our plans and partnerships? In this episode, we explore the profound impact of life's unforeseen events on support-based ministry. Join us as we sit down with Seth and Megan Halligan, who share th…
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159 - Wealthy Families: Beyond the Glitter, Unveiling Hidden Challenges with Dr. Moira Somers
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Family fortunes come with unique challenges. Join Dr. Moira Somers, a leading expert in wealth psychology, as she delves into the complexities of "business royalty." Explore the intricate web of challenges impacting relationships within families and communities, gaining valuable insights for navigating success and prosperity with grace. This episod…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! There was a lot to unpack in Carolyn Kellam's episode on domestic fundraising. We've already heard from listeners that it was an impactful and helpful topic to explore! Listen in as Heather and Andy share their biggest takeaways. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the…
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158 - Cracking the Procrastination Code - Why We Delay Financial Action & How to Stop with Dr. Moira Somers
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Ever seek money advice but struggle to follow through? You're not alone! Join Dr. Moira Somers, renowned psychologist and wealth expert, as she dives into the "procrastination puzzle" in finance. Explore the hidden design flaws and psychological roadblocks that hinder financial follow-through. Discover strategies to overcome procrastination and emp…
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27. Carolyn Kellam on Domestic Support Raising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Most support concepts are applicable no matter where you serve, but there can be unique factors when raising support for domestic ministry. We are joined in this episode by Carolyn Kellam of the Navigators. Carolyn currently serves as the Manager of Staff Funding and is responsible for the training fo…
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157 - Is Financial Therapy Right for You? Unlock the Signs & Take Charge!
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Feeling overwhelmed by money decisions? Struggling with past financial trauma? This episode is your guide! Join Rick as he answers the crucial question: "How do I know if I need a financial therapist?" Discover the key signs and emotions that might signal it's time to explore financial therapy. From emotional spending to lingering debt trauma, we'l…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are joined in this episode by Michelle Goodman. Week after week, we are so encouraged to hear people expound on what they heard AND bring additional perspective and wisdom. Michelle did that and brought some gems of her own into this recap. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate …
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156 - Reflections on The Third Anniversary of The Financial Therapy Podcast and What It Means To Pick Up a Penny
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Join us for a special edition of the Financial Therapy Podcast as we celebrate our third anniversary! Host Rick Kaler reflects on the journey of producing 156 episodes, sharing insights and lessons learned along the way. Rick dives into an intriguing discussion on the psychology of picking up a penny, exploring various money scripts and the emotion…
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26. Travis Cottrell on The Importance of Authenticity
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In our media and marketing-driven world, people -- as consumers -- can become quickly disenchanted. In fundraising, we want to strike a balance between being prepared and not "performing." Travis Cottrell joins us in this episode and highlights the importance of authenticity in approaching others and …
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155 - African Psychology & Financial Therapy - Finding Freedom & Boundaries – Dr. Prince Sarpong
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Dive deeper with Dr. Prince Sarpong and Rick as they discuss the complex relationship between financial freedom and community harmony. Discover how embracing healthy boundaries within the Ubuntu philosophy can unlock true liberation. Learn how prioritizing relational well-being alongside financial goals leads to a more fulfilling and meaningful lif…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Life, leadership, and fundraising coach Wes J. joins us for our recap of the conversation with Rebekah C on using your unique strengths in fundraising! If you would like to connect with Wes about coaching, send us a direct message at our instagram (its.not.about.the.money.pod). Take the Strengthsfinde…
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154 - When African Psychology Meets Financial Therapy–Dr. Prince Sarpong
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"Your money troubles run deeper than you think," says Dr. Prince Sarpong. Explore the impact of "Black Tax" and the Ubuntu philosophy on financial culture. Learn how cultural expectations, enabling dynamics, and community connection influence financial decisions. Discover a fresh perspective on financial freedom that goes beyond just the numbers. A…
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25. CliftonStrengths Coach Rebekah C on Bringing Strengths to Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Last season, we took a couple of episodes to explore the Enneagram for insight into our motivations and how we show up uniquely in the world (and in fundraising). Today, we’re turning to another tool meant to help us identify our natural talents and leverage those for our good and the good of those ar…
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153 - Unlocking Financial Harmony - The 8 C's and 5 P's of Well-being
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Tired of focusing on negative financial behaviors? Discover a path to true financial well-being! This episode unveils the positive traits that define a healthy relationship with money, guiding you from "tranquility" to "compassion" and beyond. Navigate the financial landscape with more clarity and confidence, fostering a sense of stability and cont…
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How to bring feminine energy to your finances
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In this conversation, I discuss the impact of masculine energy on our financial lives and how to bring more feminine energy into our approach to money. I explore the language and behaviour associated with money, highlighting the underlying feelings of safety, hard work, and control. I emphasize the importance of balancing masculine and feminine ene…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Kyle W. joins us in recapping our episode with Mindy Caliguire and builds on the helpful principles Mindy put forward from his own training in care of the soul from Biola's Institute for Spiritual Formation. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in adva…
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152 - Escaping the Guru Trap - Breaking Free from Destructive Financial Cults with Jillian Knight – Part 2
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Join LMFT Jillian Knight and Rick as they delve deeper into the dangers of rigid financial communities. Explore tactics like shame, guilt, and manipulation used to control members. Learn to recognize these red flags and protect yourself from harmful group dynamics, even if they appear helpful on the surface. A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts…
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Making the leap from corporate to self employed
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In this episode, Catherine shares her journey of transitioning from a secure full-time job to running three successful businesses. She provides insights and tips on how to make the leap from corporate to self-employed. Catherine emphasizes the importance of exposing oneself to successful self-employed individuals and surrounding oneself with suppor…
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24. CEO of Soul Care Mindy Caliguire on Avoiding Burnout
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! What does it look like to have a healthy soul? Our guest today wrestled with this question and found answers in the midst of her own season of burnout in ministry and fundraising. Mindy Caliguire offers vision and practical encouragement for you as you persevere in your own ministry and fundraising. M…
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151 - Escaping the Guru Trap: Jillian Knight's Story – Part 1
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Financial gurus promise riches, but can they trap you in shame and rigidity? Therapist Jillian Knight, LMFT, shares her personal story, revealing the red flags of extreme devotion and leader manipulation. Discover how this experience shaped her unique approach to financial freedom and empower yourself to make healthy choices. A podcast that blends …
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The best way to plan your finances if you have adult ADHD
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In this episode of ‘It’s Not About the Money’ (formerly ‘In Her Financial Shoes’) I discuss game-changing money management tips for adults with ADHD. I explain why traditional money advice may not work for individuals with ADHD and offer practical tips to overcome challenges. The tips include creating mini-milestones, using visual cues, trying diff…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Patty S. (season 2 episode 4) joins us again to recap our conversation with Dr. Jolly Johnson on the Choice City Planner. We explore the many ways this tool helps us be intentional with this one life we are given and talk about it's use more specifically in fundraising. It would be so helpful if you w…
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150 - Master Your Emotions on the Financial Rollercoaster
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Imagine making a smart investment, then watching the market plunge. Panic sets in, your dream yacht vanishes, and "lost money" haunts you. This episode equips you to navigate emotional waves and make calmer financial decisions. Learn how to anchor your well-being and ride the market with confidence! A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts of finan…
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How Inherited Family Trauma Can Impact Your Financial Success
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In this episode of ‘It’s Not About the Money’ (formerly ‘In Her Financial Shoes’) I explore the concept of inherited family trauma and its impact on financial success. I explain how our thoughts, feelings, and behaviours around money are formed before we are even born, influenced by the traumas and experiences of our parents and grandparents. I sha…
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23. Dr. Jolly Johnson on Identifying what Matters
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! One of the common refrains we hear in the work of fundraising is, "There just isn't enough time to do it all or to do it well." Our time and attention are precious resources. Our guest today, Dr. Jolly Johnson, found himself -- ironically -- with too much time on his hands and set out to develop a res…
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149 - Uncovering Hidden Gems – AI vs. Authentic Intelligence with Susan Bradley - Part 2
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Dive deeper with Susan and Rick as they continue their captivating conversation. Explore how Susan's work with financial planners empowers financial therapists. They'll delve into the future, questioning the role of Artificial Intelligence and championing the power of Authentic Intelligence in both professions. Get ready for insightful perspectives…
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Where to Start With Putting Money Aside in Business
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In this episode of ‘It’s Not About the Money’ (formerly ‘In Her Financial Shoes’) I discuss where to start with putting money aside in your business. I focus on five critical money pots that every business owner should consider: expenses, profit payouts, tax and VAT, cash reserves, and investments. I also discuss the importance of accurately predic…
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22.5 RECAP with First-Time Fundraiser Hannah O.
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Hannah O. joins us and shares passionately and vulnerably about her own disruptions and tensions with family as she has launched into support based ministry. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO…
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148 - Uncovering Hidden Gems – The Intersection of Financial Transitions & Financial Therapy with Susan Bradley – Part 1
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Buckle up for a thought-provoking ride with Susan Bradley and Rick! Decades of conversations, never recorded until now, unfold as they explore the groundbreaking intersection of financial transitions and financial therapy. Be surprised as they uncover hidden gems, sparking insights for financial planners and therapists alike. Join this spontaneous,…
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What to do When You Have a Fear of Asking to be Paid
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In this episode on the ‘It’s Not About the Money' podcast (formerly 'In Her Financial Shoes’), I explore the fear of asking to be paid and its impact on financial success. I share stories of clients who have overcome this fear and achieved significant financial results. I emphasise that selling is not about the individual but about helping clients …
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22. Spencer and Annette Nicholl on "You should get a real job"
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Many in the North American church "get it." They have context for support-based work and see their part in it... but many don't. Today's episode is actually in response to a question from a listener. "What do you do when your family isn't supportive, when they tell you that you should get a 'real' job…
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147 - A Fiduciary Advisor Is Not Enough Anymore
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The real issue isn’t whether your financial advisor is a fiduciary, it’s whether they have a conflict of interest. Here is the sad truth. Most Americans believe they already receive objective, fiduciary advice. The overwhelming odds are that they don’t, especially if the advisor has a conflict of interest over how they are paid. Some data suggests …
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3 Signs You Are On Your Way To Your Next Financial Breakthrough
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money (formerly In Her Financial Shoes), I discuss the three signs that indicate you are on your way to your next financial breakthrough. The first sign is detaching from the need for money and shifting from a mindset of lack to gratitude and abundance. The second sign is experiencing chaos and breakdowns, whic…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this first recap of season 3, Corrie brings a wealth of perspective into our discussion of Drew Remke's episode focused on partnership with the local church. Corrie lived and worked in support based ministry for just shy of a decade before moving back to North America where she currently works in t…
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146 - One Set of Money Scripts We Don’t Talk About
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What money scripts has Rick never thought of, has he never covered in any of the books he’s authored? Surveys show that if the average American didn’t have these money scripts, they would do things differently. Every American has money scripts on this topic, and yet it isn’t a topic that is top on the list to discuss on date night, or any other nig…
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Booked Out: The 3 Key Selling Strategies That Will Help You Create More Leads
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money podcast (formerly the In Her Financial Shoes podcast) I discuss strategies for getting booked out and selling out your services. Looking at the importance of understanding the stage of your business and tailoring your lead generation strategies accordingly. I share three key selling strategies: setting po…
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21. VP Drew Remke on Partnership with the Local Church
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are kicking off season 3 with a timely discussion on the importance of launching into ministry with the holistic support of a local church - a body of believers that you are committed to and that know you well. Joining us for this discussion is Drew Remke. Drew Remke is the Vice President of Church…
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145 - Understanding the Emotional Landscape of Debt Forgiveness
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Embark on an insightful journey as we explore the nuanced emotions surrounding student loan forgiveness in this episode. Prompted by a recent inquiry from a talk-show host, Rick delves into the emotional terrain, especially for those who never carried student debt or did not qualify for forgiveness programs. What might it feel like for individuals …
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How to Attract Aligned Higher Paying Clients
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money podcast (formerly the In Her Financial Shoes podcast) I unravel some of the secrets to attracting those dream joyful, high paying clients. It isn't just about attracting high-paying clients, I'm not a big believer in just telling you to go and increase your prices. This isn't about just attracting high-pa…
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144 - Beyond Roadblocks: Unleashing Productive Conversations
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These 12 roadblocks can prevent you or your clients from listening effectively because they focus on the professional’s agenda rather than the client’s needs. They can also leave the listener on the defensive or feeling a plethora of emotions, which makes it very difficult to have a productive conversation. After listening to these 12 Roadblocks, y…
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How to Overcome Money Blocks That Come Up When Closing Sales
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money podcast (formerly the In Her Financial Shoes podcast) I delve into how you can overcome money blocks that come up when closing sales when showing up to sell your service or your products. I want to help you to overcome some of these mindset issues that can come up in the context of marketing your service,…
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143 - Empower, Don't Advise: Unlocking People's Potential
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Most professionals make their living giving advice. Many of us go to lawyers, doctors, therapists, accountants, and financial planners for their advice. Early in my career I was more than willing, even eager, to oblige dispensing advice, solicited or not. At the heart of seeking advice is when we may be contemplating making a change in the status q…
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How to Stop Self-Sabotaging to Make More Money
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money podcast (formerly the In Her Financial Shoes podcast) I cover how to stop self sabotaging in order to make more money. The reason that we self-sabotage is that it feels safer for us to procrastinate, say no, and not get visible. All of these behaviours I talk about come from a place of safety. And so the …
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142 - Resistance Means You’re Moving Too Fast
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“When you meet resistance, you are moving too fast.” This is a truism that I hold to when it comes to relationships, especially in my capacity as a financial therapist. The illusion is that people come to financial planners and therapists for financial advice. Financial professionals often assume that when they give advice that would seem an obviou…
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In this episode of It’s Not About The Money podcast (formerly the In Her Financial Shoes podcast) I explore the difference between what happens when we sit in our feminine or masculine power when we're trying to create more abundance in our life and businesses. As well as discussing why it’s important to recognise how feminine and masculine energie…
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141 - Talking Money, a Taboo Topic in Both the US and Africa
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“Money conversations are hard; people refuse to talk about money.” We know that is true in the US, and it’s equally true in Africa. Join Rick in an interview with Peter Kwadwo Asare Nyarko, the Executive Director of the Centre for Financial Literacy Education Africa. In bringing his passion for financial wellbeing to Africa and building a successfu…
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